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The list was promoted by Giants2008 17:10, 11 September 2012 [1].

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Nominator(s): Reckless182 (talk) 23:06, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria. The list is a collection of all thinkable records and statistics of Malmö FF based on the available references. I hope you like it. --Reckless182 (talk) 23:06, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments: Five graphs in the records section seems a bit excessive? How reliable is eu-football.info? Ref 3 and 16 have trouble loading for me. Afro (Talk) 12:26, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I could remove the average attendance graphs since they are already included in their respective stadium articles but I think they are informative and relevant to the section at hand. You do have a point about eu-football.info, I'm suddenly not so sure about it's reliability since it is open for edits. Perhaps a third party could help us determine? Unfortunately I've been unable to find this information anywhere else, but I'll keep looking. Ref 3 and 16 works fine for me.--Reckless182 (talk) 13:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • You don't think the goal difference graph seems irrelevant to the section? I would suggest the removal of eu-football.info, it says it posts the sources for data confirmation however since it doesn't directly attribute any source to one of their pages, it's unreliable at the very least. Afro (Talk) 05:15, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think it's relevant and interesting, the list contains both records and statistics, the graph is an interesting piece of statistics. I removed the internationals section with the eu-football.info refs, unfortunately I couldn't find another reference to support the section. --Reckless182 (talk) 14:03, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • How is it relevant to the section though, at no point is goal difference mentioned. Afro (Talk) 04:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sorry but you're mistaken. Goaldifference is mentioned under Allsvenskan records held by the club in the same section. Various goal records are also discussed. I don't see why you're so much against the graph? It's a nice piece of statistics in a list for records and statistics.--Reckless182 (talk) 21:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update. The graph is now removed after discussion with The Rambling Man (see below).--Reckless182 (talk) 13:09, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I feel this list is not standalone and rather outlined, as the entries are partially forked from other articles. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 16:47, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • The only thing that I have borrowed is the table layout in the players section, the table of European record and the honours (although this entry includes more titles than in the main article). Everything else is unique to the list, I don't see the problem? --Reckless182 (talk) 17:21, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Is the "The" in "Scanian Football Association" capitalised?
  • Perennial issue, " Malmö FF, is a Swedish" (singular) and then "Malmö FF have won " (plural). I'd find a way to resolve this, perhaps using things like "the club", "the team" etc...?
    • The second sentence is about Malmö FF as a team (plural) while the first one is about Malmö FF as a club (singular). This was discussed after the main articles appearance as today's featured article. --Reckless182 (talk) 20:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in Allsvenskan as of the 2012 season; this is Malmö FF's 12th" remove the semi-colon, replace with a colon, and say "season, the club's 12th..."
  • "All stats accurate as of match played 12 August 2012." stats->statistics. Also consider indenting this by one "colon" which most of these notes seem to be.
  • "in 1920–21" in that season? or did they do it twice?
  • You have stats about "Distriktsmästerskap" but no link, no idea what that means to us non-Swedes.
  • Be consistent, you a key table with a single entry that has a caption, but then a much larger table with no caption...
  • Portrait-shaped images should just use a upright tag, not be forced to another size.
  • Be careful using bold, see WP:BADEMPHASIS.
    • I don't think I've used it in any inappropriate way. Do you have any examples of where exactly you think I have been careless? --Reckless182 (talk) 20:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • For instance, you use bold to emphasise "winner" versus "runner up". The Rambling Man (talk) 08:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Alright. Now removed, anything else you think is inappropriate?--Reckless182 (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Lasse Larsson" appears to be "Lars Larsson" according to our own article.
  • Notes column should be left-aligned.
  • "Variable" is an odd heading, I know what you mean (did some software engineering a while back) back perhaps you could phrase it in something a non-SW engineer could handle?
  • "2 titles " -> "Two titles..."
  • Why are notes in smaller text?
  • Some overlinking going on, "IFK Malmö" is linked three times in the Club records/Matches section.
  • I don't think "cumulative goal difference" is relevant at all.
    • I believe it's an interesting piece of statistics, why not feature it in this list?
      • I just think it's a fake statistic, I've never seen it used anywhere, what is it supposed to indicate really? If it stays, (a) it needs references, (b) it needs to not have so much capitalisation (e.g. Cumulative Goal Difference -> Cumulative goal difference) (c) the year range in the title, just check it's using an en-dash. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Alright, I removed it since both you and the editor above suggested it.--Reckless182 (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • If this is written in BritEng, then shades of "gray" should be "grey".
  • "Malmö FF's average attendances over the period from 2009 to 2011" not good to have this graph alone, when you have the previous 50-odd years in the graph above.... merge stats.
    • The three graphs on attendance are from three distinctive periods from when Malmö FF played at their three different home stadiums. The last is a bit small since they have only played at their current stadium since 2009. I don't it would be appropriate to merge them. Besides, there is no lack of space to motivate merging the three graphs for this list.--Reckless182 (talk) 20:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Lack of space wasn't really a motivating factor, I think you could merge all three and that way we could actually see the effect of different stadia. At the moment it's impossible to compare. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "2004 Season[48]" Season->season.
  • You tell the reader what S, Pld, W, D, L are but not GF, GA, GD are.

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you for your thorough review as always! --Reckless182 (talk) 20:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • No worries, also noticed that "Malmö FF's progress through the swedish football league system" should have a capital S for Swedish... The Rambling Man (talk) 08:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 23:03, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Award winners: If Aftonbladet is a newspaper, it should be italicized.
  • Allsvenskan records held by players of the club: In the Most consecutive championships entry note, "season" should surely be plural, given that a five-season range is provided.
  • Managers: Spaced em dash in the Vaclav Simon entry should be converted into an unspaced one, or a spaced en dash, per MoS.
  • Club records: Bold text is discouraged by the MoS. You might want to try italics to provide the desired emphasis.
  • Would be nice if the general references were in alphabetical order.
  • Ref 7 needs an en dash for the page range.
  • The references that list the author as Smitt, Rikard should probably be made similar to the Smitt, 2009 style cites for internal consistency. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, the hyphens in the titles of refs 10, 16, and 20 should be converted into en dashes instead. I see two hyphens in each title that need fixing. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:05, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 22:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments'
  • Are there no links to the 1920-21 or 1943-44 season?
  • Appearances and goalscorers stats dare a bit bare. Would expect to see more stats such as in this list. Is the information not available or have you decided not to use it?
    • I would love for the section to feature as much information as the list you mentioned above. Unfortunately the information is not available, perhaps it will be in the future if new books are published or the club decides to feature more statistics online.--Reckless182 (talk) 21:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that was the case, but best to ask. Hopefully the info becomes available in the future. NapHit (talk) 22:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • No point in the nationality columns being sortable in the appearances and goalscorers tables as all the players are Swedish
  • Not sure the number of goals scored should be highlighted in bold, especially when no other records are
  • Don't need Halmstad BK linked three times in the record wins section
  • same with Division 2 in wins/draw/losses section
  • does seem to be a bit of over linking going on, first usage should be linked, for instance we have Allsvenkan linked six times in club records section

NapHit (talk) 14:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Bloom6132 (talk) 21:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "The club currently holds the record for most Allsvenskan titles, with 19, most Svenska Cupen titles, with 14, and the record for the most Svenska Cupen final appearances, with 17." – You make the call on this one, but IMHO, I don't think all those commas after the word "titles" are necessary.
  • "They also became the first and as of 2012 the only Swedish club" – place "as of 2012" either between brackets or commas.
    • I don't know, I think the current version is better. They also became the first (and as of 2012 the only) Swedish club to reach the final seems weird looking for me. --Reckless182 (talk) 15:14, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, the sentence would be either They also became the first and, as of 2012, the only Swedish club or They also became the first and (as of 2012) the only Swedish club. You make the pick on this one. My preference would be the first one (with commas). —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:20, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

—Bloom6132 (talk) 10:20, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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