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The list was promoted by SchroCat 12:30, 15 October 2014 [1].

List of Knights Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order appointed by Queen Victoria edit

List of Knights Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order appointed by Queen Victoria (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Noswall59 (talk) 21:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article lists those who have received the highest grade of one of the orders of knighthood in the UK at a time when Britain was a leading power in the world; the list includes foreign heads of state, notable British soldiers and courtiers and ambassadors, reflecting the diplomatic relations and social structures of the time. Due to the number of people awarded the honour since it was founded in 1896, it seems sensible to split it into appointments by reign, and this is the first, covering the appointments made by Victoria from 1896 to her death in 1901. Although not experienced in this process, I do believe the article is well-written, with a lead which introduces and summarises the topic well. It is complete and incorporates sorting on the name, country of origin and date of appointment of individuals. Similarly, all items in the list are reliably sourced, as is the lead. Many thanks, --Noswall59 (talk) 21:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support
  • What an overly-complicated way to say "the queen/king likes this person or something they did". Anyway.
  • Letters patent doesn't seem to be capitalized like that at the linked article
  • "Instituted with five grades, [dependent clause]." - missing a subject for this sentence, like "It was instituted"
  • "The the two highest"
  • "and the order remained in the personal gift of the sovereign" - you said that in the first sentence of the article already
  • Any reason why you don't state the name of the "Prefect of the Alpes Maritimes" in the lead?
  • You should explain the difference between a GCVO and an honorary GCVO. Also, you imply that some foreigners got regular GCVOs- any reason why? Any non-foreigners get honorary honors?
  • "Where applicable, the occasion is that listed either with the notices, or in published material elsewhere, in which case, that material is cited." - whoa, commas. Try "Where applicable, the occasion is given that was listed either with the notices or in published material elsewhere, in which case that material is cited."
  • Dash or office/occasion missing for "Field Marshal His Royal Highness Albert Edward, Prince of Wales"
  • "(Caucasian Cossacks of the Line), in the staff of Nicholas II, Emperor of Russia." - why the parentheses?
  • Also, why the period? You have this for several others as well.
  • "Emperor of Russia's Coronation" - don't see why coronation is capitalized
  • "Emperor of China's Mission" - same with mission
  • "Emperor of Russia's Visit to Queen Victoria" - and visit.
  • Consider linking who those emperors were
  • Odd italics for "Membre du Conseil Supérieur de la Guerre, Inspecteur d'Armée"
  • Parentheses again for "(King's Royal Rifle Corps)" - if you're doing it because the original title is non-English, list the non-English title first
  • Why is the star before the honor for Gustavus Ernest, Count of Erbach-Schonberg* KCVO?
  • Stars missing for His Highness Abbas Pasha, Khedive of Egypt GCB GCMG and His Serene Highness Henry XXX, Prince Reuss
  • Stray periods for the occasions "The Duke of Connaught's attendance at the recent French Military Manoeuvres.", "On his return from active service in South Africa.", and "Duke of Connaught's visit to Berlin for the Bicentenary of the foundation of the Kingdom of Prussia."
  • I'm really confused how the sorting by name is working for this. Some people you do first name (Prince Albert) while some you do last name (Count Benkendarf). Unless there's some strange rule that English princes don't get sorted by their last name, or that "William Thomson, 1st Baron Kelvin" should be sorted by Kelvin rather than Thomson and "Emich Edward Charles, the Hereditary Prince of Leiningen" by Leiningen rather than Charles, please be consistent in sorting.
  • Ref 14 is linking to issue 26755, p. 3853, not the stated issue 26758, p. 4025
  • All your non-book citations are formatted oddly; I think it's because you're missing a publisher for all of them, though that's probably because the publisher is the government of the country in question. That said, your book citations are also weird- you list all the bibliographic information in the bibliography, so the citations should just be like "McCreery, p. 29", rather than listing it all out again.
  • Most of your redirecting links are capitalization changes or spelling changes, ones of note that you might fix are: Nicholas II of Russia, Russians (as Russia Empire, Austro-Hungarian (as Austro-Hungarian Empire), all your Generals are redirecting to General officer, you have KP as Order of Saint Patrick instead of Order of St. Patrick, ADC as Aide de Camp instead of Aide-de-camp, and PC as Privy Counsellor (UK) instead of Privy Council of the United Kingdom, and Carl of Denmark piped to Haakon VII instead of Haakon VII of Norway.
--PresN 22:22, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN: Hi, thanks for the comments. All those with strike-throughs have been addressed now. A few points:
  • I believe I've clarified the situation with honorary knighthoods - let me know if I'm still not clear.
  • I've also updated the book citations, but I'm not sure whether you wanted me to alter the non-book ones, so let me know if that's the case.
  • As for the italicised part, it's like that because it's given in a foreign language, unlike most of the others (I don't know why it's like this, but that's how it was listed in the sources) - I can change it if you would like, but I don't see how that's odd.
  • The parentheses include branch of service or regiment details, as opposed to offices; would you like me to remove them?
  • As for the name sort: basically, those who held substantive titles (X, Duke of Y) are listed by their title; British princes are listed by their given names, even if they have titles (e.g. Charles, Wales, Prince of); those who were styled Dukes, Counts, etc. (Duke X of Y, Count X of Y) are listed by their surname if applicable (this is what has been done in the DefaultSort Count Illarion Ivanovich Vorontsov-Dashkov's article). I've corrected Leiningen's, but Kelvin does not need updating, nor does Prince Albert. See WP:PEERS.
  • The redirects for Knight of St Patrick, Privy Councillor and Aide-de-Camp are all from the "post-nominals" template, so I can't alter them. The rest have been corrected.
Thank you again for your review, these corrections are certainly improving the article. --Noswall59 (talk) 08:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC).[reply]
Alright, made a few tweaks, but changing to support. --PresN 17:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again, --Noswall59 (talk) 19:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC).[reply]
  • Support. Excellent work. Well-written and well-sourced list. --Carioca (talk) 19:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the support, --Noswall59 (talk) 20:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC).[reply]
  • It remains in the personal gift of the monarch - Not sure what you mean here.
Basically, most honours in the UK are now awarded by the government; the king/queen are only nominally involved; however, this particular award is still handed out by the monarch without any involvement by the government. Hopefully my alterations make this clear.
  • "It is granted personally by the monarch", perhaps? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done.
 Done.
  • King of Spain, Emperor of Germany and Prince of Montenegro -Link them?
The positions or the office-holders?
  • office holders, assuming there was only one during this period. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done
  • This along with a * indicates that the appointment was Honorary. - Colour-blind people will have problems with "this". Perhaps state what "this" is? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How do I do that? I thought the star would be enough... I notice a similar method has been used on the List of Victoria Cross recipient articles, for instance List of Victoria Cross recipients (A–F)
  • I'd have raised the same issue if I'd reviewed that list. Then again, looking at the other articles in this category, it looks like that's already standardized. No worries then. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator response: Hi @Crisco 1492:, thanks for your feedback. I've commented above, and asked some questions. I am happy to make any changes once you've responded and clarified where I'm not so sure. Many thanks, --Noswall59 (talk) 20:00, 14 October 2014 (UTC).[reply]
Thanks again @Crisco 1492:, I've altered everything as requested. --Noswall59 (talk) 08:24, 15 October 2014 (UTC).[reply]
Many thanks, --Noswall59 (talk) 10:14, 15 October 2014 (UTC).[reply]
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