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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 16:30, 26 June 2008 [1].

List of Japanese submissions for Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film edit

My entry for the FLC contest. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 00:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment You shouldn't rely on colour coding alone for something as important as whether the film was nominated or not. Perhaps you could add an extra column:
Contributions
Year Film title used in nomination Original title Director Result
1951
(24th) 		Rashomon Rashōmon (羅生門) Akira Kurosawa Won Honorary Award
1954
(27th) 		Gate of Hell Jigokumon (地獄門) Teinosuke Kinugasa Won Honorary Award
1955
(28th) 		Samurai, The Legend of Musashi Miyamoto Musashi (宮本武蔵) Hiroshi Inagaki Won Honorary Award
1956:
(29th) 		Harp of Burma Biruma no Tategoto (ビルマの竪琴) Kon Ichikawa Nominated
1957:
(30th) 		Aruse Arakure (あらくれ) Mikio Naruse

That way, you would be able to sort for which films received a nomination.

And which reference covers the table? I tried to find one, but the only general ref just mentions which films were nominated for the award. -- Scorpion0422 00:40, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed accordingly. As for the table reference, the person I got the information from actually emailed the Academy Library for the relevant lists, and I don't think there's a single source that lists all of them. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 10:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • You need to have some kind of reference for the table, otherwise the most crucuial part of the article would be unsourced. -- Scorpion0422 17:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments:
    • Sorting. Right now it sorts by first name. It should sort by last name. This is complicated by the fact that these are Japanese names, but they seem to be presented in western order. But the order does need to be double-checked and fixed.
    • Why are some redlinked, and some blacklinked? Redlink them all, I think. --Golbez (talk) 02:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's supposed to be in western order per WP:MOS-JP, but I changed it so the sorting would work via last name, and I redlinked the remainder of the films. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 10:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Doing it by "family, given" isn't good. There are ways to sort a table and still keep the display as "given family". I think the template you're looking for is {{sortname}}. --Golbez (talk) 21:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • One example, there may be others, but "Harp of Burma" is a redirect to "The Burmese Harp", which appears to be the official English title. Can you go through and make sure you're using the proper translations or official names, and avoid redirects in the list? --Golbez (talk) 21:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've fixed the redirects, and yeah, Harp of Burma is the title used in the nomination, although the article is named The Burmese Harp. I've also used {{sortname}} for the director names. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 09:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • And now, do I get really nitpicky and point out that "Ōshima" should probably sort somewhere around the Os rather than the Zs? ... yes. :P If that's possible. In transliteration, all Ōshima means is it would be "Ooshima" or "Oushima" otherwise. --Golbez (talk) 20:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: Interesting list! Here's a few suggestions:
  • "Japan ranks fifth in terms of total nominees, behind Sweden (fourteen nominees)...." Who else is ahead of Japan?
  • "Below is a list of the films that have been submitted by Japan...." How did Japan select its films? Was there a committee, or did certain people vote on their selections?
  • If these films were notable enough to be nominated by Japan to the Academy Awards, then why are some of the links red? Shouldn't those movies link to articles, too?--Dem393 (talk) 03:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The list is in the reference, and I don't think listing the remaining three countries is necessary. As for the redlinks, there aren't articles for them. Yes, they're probably notable but no one has gotten around to making them yet. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 10:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "The first user to get their list promoted will be declared the winner. Users are not allowed to submit an FLC before [date to be determined]." A bit early eh? Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 13:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think the contest started Sunday morning.--Dem393 (talk) 15:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That was the original starting date, but it was later removed by Scorpion. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 15:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Odd, I went by this message. I wasn't aware of a change in the rules. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 17:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's okay, that is the date I sent everyone (but I didn't expect anyone to be ready by then). You can still battle for second (or third) place, or you could force a tie if you nominate a list within th next seven hours (or even tomorrow) -- Scorpion0422 17:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I better get working on my list then. :) Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 17:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Correct me if I'm wrong (because I don't understand Japanese in any form), but from what I can tell, the cited chart does not include directors. -- Scorpion0422 21:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It doesn't. I probably can't get a general reference for that, so do you want individual refs down the table for that column? Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 07:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ignore that, it does. I was probably sleepy or something :p Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 02:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Comment - why are rejected films color coded for green, while noms are red? I would think that the rejected ones should be red. Otherwise, well done, though! I would say that the directors don't necessarily need referencing, since they generally aren't considered controversial or otherwise POV pieces of information. (That being said, having refs isn't bad either.) Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 19:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Swapped the colors, and directors are part of the general reference, so it isn't a big deal, although I do agree that it's probably not necessary to source them. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 10:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Crzycheetah 02:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per criterion 6 of WP:WIAFL; there are 21(!) red links out of 50(?) items, which isn't minimal proportion at all. I have a couple of minor comments as well,
    • Shouldn't there be a notice that informs of Japanese characters?
    • Why are there colons after each year?

--Crzycheetah 09:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Are we still opposing over red links? See this discussion (this isn't to undercut you. I'm just curious whether it's current practice. If necessary, I'll go on a stubbing-spree). I cut the colons and I remember having a discussion at WT:ANIME that using {{Contains Japanese text}} was largely redundant in all cases, but I'll add it if you insist. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 19:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was added when we implemented the new criteria. It was rather ambiguous before, but Tony1 made it more obvious. Generally, red links are not pleasing to an eye; especially, when there is a large proportion of the links that are red. As for the Japanese text, I don't insist, I just thought it was required, that's all.--Crzycheetah 23:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support I am not comfortable with the first sentence that basically copies the title of the page, other than that, this is a great list.--Crzycheetah 02:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • I agree with Crzy, it's not exactly an engaging opening.
  • "Japan ranks fifth in terms of total nominees, behind Sweden (fourteen nominees) and ahead of the former Soviet Union (nine nominees)." Is "nominees" correct, or should it be "nominations"?

That's all I have, I think. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 03:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed the opening sentence (there doesn't have to be bold per WP:BOLDTITLE, right?). And "nominees" is correct (and is the term generally used by AMPAS). "Nominations" is also misleading when we're using "submissions" in the article. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 06:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, that's fine. I was just curious. And yeah, bolding isn't needed. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article doesn't mention the big controversy surrounding the non-submission of Akira Kurosawa's Ran in 1985. This is a non-negligible omission. You can find additional information about this controversy here. Otherwise, congratulations for the efforts you made to help improve the article. BomBom (talk) 22:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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