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The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 16:50, 2 July 2008 [1].

List of Interstate Highways in New York edit

As part of the FL contest and the need for a better list, I've spent hours working on this, and now that it's complete, I feel it meets the criteria. Comments are appreciated, as always. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Doncram

  • Hey, the intro paragraph statement about saving $2,000 is bizarre and strikes me as non-encyclopedic. The statement is "New York's Interstate Highway system saves the average state resident $2,170 per year in reduced accident cost, lowered gasoline use, among other factors." It is supported by a reference. But the statement is so bizarre, i don't believe the reference. What it appears to be is someone's weird calculation, to many significant digits of accuracy, of how much each New York State resident saves relative to some unspecified alternative, such as having no highway at all. Or what is the alternative: having use of just canals, or railways, or travel by balloon? I would rather expect the state population would be different if there were no highways. Why would there be no highways? It appears to be a ridiculous self-serving promotional calculation, perhaps used to justify getting a certain budget or something. It is just bizarre, to repeat myself, it is just bizarre! A wikipedia article simply cannot state something like this as a fact.
  • And, i don't think the description of 690 is complete and accurate. It does not describe the extensions of 690 off in various directions, to Fairmount and to Camillus. It is not a single route that you can travel from one end to another. The inadequacy of description is not limited to this list article; I believe it is a problem in the separate article on 690 itself.
  • Sorry these quick comments are not more positive, but I hope they are nonetheless helpful. Good luck with the article! doncram (talk) 03:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • So I take it you don't like that lead sentence? ;) I agree about that, so it's gone. I also tried to clarify the I-690 description. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 12:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Lvklock I live in the Syracuse area, so I looked at those descriptions pretty closely. At first, I thought the same as Doncram, that the 690 description wasn't wrong. I also thought 695 was here, not in the Bronx. Upon checking a map, I realized that 690 changes from Interstate to a State Route at I-90, then continues to the N of Baldwinsville. Similarly, the 695 that branches off I690 is also a NYS Route. Maybe some mention of these would make the description less confusing. Also, I'd like to see some mention that I690 is the access road for and passes by the New York State Fair Grounds, which are significant to residents all across the state. Lvklock (talk) 03:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I tried to clarify the I-690 description some. Let me know if it's any better. Thanks, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 12:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Much clearer, thanks. I like the State Fair mention. :) Lvklock (talk) 13:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks! Can you see anything else that needs to be fixed? Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Good job on this list! It's very comprehensive and detailed. One suggestion, however.

  • "Unlike in some other states, Interstates in New York are not referenced by NYSDOT with their number." Then how does NYSDOT refer to these interstates?--Dem393 (talk) 19:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguation, people. I can't believe nobody commented on it. Come on, here are four undisambiguated links just for the highways, and many more in the "locations" columns!
    • And if I'm going to comment, I might as well say several of the descriptions are unfortunate in wording. For example, more often then not it's unclear that an Interstate continues or not from/to another state. Also, stuff like "I-87 is an intrastate Interstate Highway located entirely within the state of New York." is kind of redundant, and the one for I-86 is hardly better. Circeus (talk) 04:39, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Given that I took the time to review most of it, I might as well wrap up and then support: Why was the sortability removed from the Length and Dates columns? Seemed perfectly legit to me (what's the point to have sortability on only one, already sorted column??). Putting the reference on the header cell of "Length" would be simpler than in each cell, btw. Also, have any NY Interstate been decommissioned? Circeus (talk) 15:39, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm working on it (sorting isn't my strong point). Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Sorting's done. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Several descriptions are still less than ideal. Circeus (talk) 20:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • Could you please specify which ones? Thanks, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 23:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • I-86and -87 start with "I-86 located in the U.S. states of New York and Pennsylvania." (syntax plz) and "I-87 is located entirely within the state of New York." (given context and the usual wp style distinguishing New York from New York City, there's redundant stuff here, also, why say it for this Interstate, but not I-88?). Circeus (talk) 14:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • (Outdent) Just on last thing: Has any Interstate been decommissioned in NY? Other than addressing that, I'll happily Support the list. That map is nifty, by the way. Circeus (talk) 16:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • There have been a number of Interstates decommissioned in NY, but since the list focuses on current designations, I didn't think it was necessary to add them. However, if you think they're needed, I'll look into it. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggestions: (a) clarification on routes that are also part of the Thruway system with regards to maintenance as well as tolls; (b) inclusion of legislative route numbers; (c) addition of unbuilt routes that are listed in state law; (d) peak traffic data would be an interesting addition. --Polaron | Talk 20:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

  • List of Interstate Highways in Texas, already featured, has a Notes column
  • mi and km is over-wikilinked
  • Change the opening sentence to "The Interstate Highways in New York" instead of "List of..."
  • Might be interesting to add who polices the interstates? Local PDs, Highway Patrol, or State Troopers, whatever
  • Can you request a map be made showing the interstates, such as the one at the Texas list?

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Overlinking and opening sentence fixed. Working on the other comments, although I prefer the current note formatting better. I could request a map, but as the most active member of WP:USRD/MTF has retired, I doubt I'll be able to get one before the FLC ends. Thanks for the comments, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nice work on getting the map done. I think the gallery should be sectioned ==Gallery== though, rather than just plotzed there. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose; one of the main sources - Gribblenation's "New York Routes" - is not a reliable source. Neither is Interstate-Guide or Kurumi. In some cases, they are incorrect; I-87 was part of the initial Interstate numbering approved in 1958. It also lacks former designations, of which there are a fair number of in the NYC area (I-478 on the Manhattan Bridge, for example). --NE2 03:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I believe I replaced all of the unreliable references. Just a question, though. As the opening sentence clarifies that the list documents current Interstate Highways, are former designations necessary? Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes; a list should not be limited to the present. Wikipedia is not bound to the present. --NE2 17:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'd noticed recently that there is no centralized "former Interstate" list (although there is a tentative category). This is quite surprising given the amount of Highway buffs around on WP. Circeus (talk) 20:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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