Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Hypericum species/archive2

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The list was withdrawn by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 10:50:32 11 May 2019 (UTC) [1].

List of Hypericum species edit

Nominator(s): Fritzmann2002 ^{T, c, s, t} 17:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This list has been my pet project for right around two years now, and I have been working on it sporadically. It is an ambitious project to have a comprehensive, helpful, organized, and complete list of a genus 500 species large, of which no other attempt has been made to my knowledge. The genus Hypericum, also known as the St. John's Worts, are perennial herbs, shrubs, and small trees that grow all over the world. They are cultivated for their medicinal and antidepressant properties, as well as their large and colorful flowers. It is divided into 36 sections of varying size, each of which has its own section in the list article. Every species has its binomial authority, distribution, and common names and synonyms listed, and many have range maps and/or illustrative images. I believe this list has greatly progressed from where it started and meets the requirements necessary to make FL. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time, Fritzmann2002 ^{T, c, s, t} 17:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Lirim.Z: There are so many description sections empty.--Lirim | Talk 20:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilink section (biology) at the top, I was surprised I'd never heard of this term.
I'd put the description paragraph before the distribution
Link other technical terms like glabrous, decussate, and nothospecies (which should be defined since it's in section headers)
When the distribution is an image, it needs alt text.
All of the "Description" subheadings are unnecessary. It's obvious what you're talking about and it doesn't need to be separated from the sentence giving the # of species
Inconsistency whether the Synonyms column is empty or says "None"
The type species are bolded and centered – for accessibility an asterisk or similar is better, leave the formatting the same (the color is enough of a visual cue).
Concinna and several others are missing a description.
Sect. Coridium is missing a summary and description
The only footnote is that H. atomarium is naturalized to Portugal. That could just be in parentheses within the table cell instead.

Reywas92^Talk 20:10, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from BeatlesLedTV

The title at the top should read List of Hypericum species per MOS:ITALICTITLE
All tables need scope rows and scope cols per MOS:ACCESS
All dashes should be en dashes (–) per MOS:DASH
Image cols should be centered

On top of this, many don't actually have images, so they should have centered en dashes

All integers zero through nine should be spelled out per MOS:NUMS
I agree with Lirim all these description sections shouldn't be empty
Arthrophyllum Jaub. & Spach contains five species – why is it written like this in many instances?
Agree with Lirim ALL images need alt text
Many links are green, blue, and brown. Also many are just urls

For me there's too many problems right now. I'm sorry but I have to oppose – BeatlesLedTV (talk) 00:54, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This list is nowhere near a featured list. Interesting topic, but the list is unfinished.–Lirim | Talk 02:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - multiple empty "description" sections suggest that the article simply isn't finished -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:29, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I like lists like these but the structure is overwhelming.

I think the species could be one (non-collapsed) table. Just need a column for the Sect/subsect.
There is no need for a whole heading and 2 subheadings dedicated to each Sect. There should be a single heading for the details of each Sect, each of which can have a short paragraph within this single heading. This will significantly reduce the page length and the table of contents would be less ridiculous without the hundred subheadings.
I would break off all notospecies into a new page called List of Hypericum nothospecies which would make the single table suggested for this page much more manageable.

I would be willing to help with this new formatting if you are interested in collaborating. Mattximus (talk) 17:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I like the idea of breaking off the notospecies and I've started removing the extraneous headings. I think that would at least be a good start, but one table for 500 species? I just think it may be too much... I'd never turn down an offer to help though, and I am committed to getting this list to FL-status just as soon as I can. Thanks to all for all the input and constructive criticism, it'll be put to good use. Thanks again, Fritzmann2002 ^{T, c, s, t} 17:57, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is a long way from featured list sadly, there are sections that are entirely unreferenced for example. Are there 500 species excluding notospecies? Mattximus (talk) 21:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fritzmann2002 it's been a month since anything has happened here for this nomination, and with the opposition above, coupled with no apparent decision to action any of the comments, do you wish to withdraw this? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:30, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would be fine. In a few weeks I will have a lot more time to dedicate to meeting these criteria and implementing the above suggestions. Once I've done all of those things mentioned and really completed the article I will re-up the nomination, and it should hopefully be a sufficient article then since I'll have addressed all the criticisms by that point. Thank you to all for your suggestions, I'll put them into action as soon as I can. Fritzmann2002 ^{T, c, s, t} 15:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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