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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 23:09, 28 March 2009 [1].

List of Houston Rockets statistics and records

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Nominator(s): Noble Story (talk • contributions)
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As a push to get Houston Rockets to be a WP:FT, I am nominating this for FL. I have worked on it to meet, to the best of my knowledge, all criteria of WP:WIAFL.

Also, please note that this article is the first of its kind for the NBA, so I had nothing to base it on, and had to think of everything as I went along. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 07:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
General comment
  • Fix the dab (found using the checker tool in the toolbox at the right)
Lead
  • The team plays in the Southwest Division of the Western Conference in National Basketball Association (NBA). -- Add "the" before the NBA
  • They have made the playoffs in 25 of their 42 seasons, and won their division and conference four time each; they also won back-to-back championships in 1994 and 1995. -- (1)time should be plural (2)Aren't the division/conference championships represented when a team wins it? (3)It should be noted that these are "NBA Championships"
  • Of the Rockets' current players, Yao Ming and Shane Battier both hold records for shooting percentage records in a single game. -- Isn't this suppose to be Of the Rockets' current players, Yao Ming and Shane Battier both hold records for shooting percentage in a single game. (its a repetition of the word records when it isn't needed to be repeated)
Image
  • Caption: I see no purpose of having a source here since its in the prose and is pretty uncommon to do so
Career leaders and Single-season records tables
  • I don't know if its the best idea to have the totals section sortable because there are different values in each cell (decimals/integers).
  • What does it mean when a player is not in a category? As that is not explained in the key.
Streaks
  • I don't think having the length column sortable is very representative because there are different date formats and some cells have more than one entries.
  • Image: The caption should have a full stop
Single-game records
  • What do the empty cells mean?
  • The totals section should be made non-sortable per my comment above
  • Image: Captions need full stops.
General comment
  • The totals section should not be sortable since different values are inserted and is not representative of the data.
Individual Single-game records
  • What do the empty cells mean?
  • Images need full stops
References
Just wondering, you said that the totals section should not be sortable. Then you said it should be (for "Single-game records"). Which do you mean? Also, what do you mean by "What does it mean when a player is not in a category?". And, the empty cells means that they are tied with the player above them in that category. I wanted to do rowspan, but that messed up sorting. Should I re-insert the category and number for each cell, even if there is a repeat? Noble Story (talk • contributions) 02:46, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I mean non-sortable. Oh, I see. Either that or add a footnote stating that thats what the blank spaces do. In addition, and by my question, you sort of answered it with the last part of your comment.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 03:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I ended up putting the numbers back in. Having all the same numbers should make it clear which category they belong in. Let me know if it needs more refinement. Also, I put the ref in the image caption because no ref in the main article supported the fact. But I can remove it if you want. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 05:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The totals column of the first tables shouldn't be sortable either per the same reasons. Yeah the image ref for that one can stay. I would add the categories into the blank cells because the row divider (line) implies different content, unlike a rowspan. So yeah, even if there is a repeat since this is a sortable table.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 15:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Was this done?--Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Right, sorry. I've got it now. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 01:15, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay great. But some of the totals columns have errors in the coding, which are noticeable. They appear as width=48%|Total.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. I guess I should use the preview button more often. Fixed. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 02:10, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:00, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Nice job, especially for doing it without any model. You may want to add something about it to WP:NBAG.
  • "for four years, before being moved to Houston, Texas."-->for four years before relocating to Houston, Texas.
  • "Hakeem Olajuwon, who was the NBA Finals Most Valuable Player in both of the Rockets' championship seasons"
  • "9 different categories"
  • Full date ranges should use spaced en dashes. For example, "November 4, 1972–April 18, 1982"-->November 4, 1972 – April 18, 1982
  • Note b doesn't work.
  • "Table Key"-->Table key, per WP:MSH.
  • Unrelated comment, but have you created an accomplishments and records list, such as Portland Trail Blazers accomplishments and records? Dabomb87 (talk) 17:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I think I've got it all. About accomplishments and records: This article is the "records" part, and the "accomplishments" are in the main article. Also, about having space in between full dates: I can't find that in the MOS; could you find it for me? Noble Story (talk • contributions) 11:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DASH. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, duh. OK, I've got that, too. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 12:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Chrishomingtang

Comment I can't find the 22 games winning streak. I think this worth mentioning in the list.—Chris! ct 23:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think it's a bit hard to place it in a good category. Do you suggest putting in the lead, or somewhere in one of the tables? Noble Story (talk • contributions) 01:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Adding it to the lead is fine—Chris! ct 01:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 02:40, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Um, I think this list is missing something. I think it need to include awards that Rocket player won and various NBA record the team accumulated.—Chris! ct 02:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The awards and such are covered in the main article, which I think was already mentioned. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 02:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but what about NBA records.—Chris! ct 03:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, about the NBA records: I thought about it, but in the end I wasn't really sure. All that information is already in NBA records. And the question is, how many records to include. Regular season? Playoffs? NBA Finals? All of them? And what about records set against the Rockets? Those were questions I could not answer, and so I left them out. But if I need to do so to be comprehensive, I'll add it in.
Since the article is about Houston Rockets statistics and records, any records pertaining to Houston Rockets should logically be included. But you are right that it is a bit redundant to NBA records. I don't know. I would say adding them will be a good idea to satisfy the comprehensiveness criteria. I think only records set by Rockets are needed, not those set against the Rockets.—Chris! ct 18:14, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK,I'll get to it in the next few days. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 13:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from KV5
OK, I've tried to add as much as I think is relevant. I've also finished adding the NBA records section. Hope it satisfies. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 14:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Above is completed. Additional comments:
  • En-dash in "Best undefeated start (15–0)
  • In the key, pipelink overtime (sports) like this: Overtime
  • Lowest FG% - 23 out of 78 is a lower percentage than 26 out of 88. Also, it's unclear what (23–78) means. I thought that it meant 23 baskets and 78 misses, which is how I originally tried to do the math. Clarify.

Hope this helps. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How to calculate field goal percentage is actually explained in Note A. But I've added an extra note to give an exaomple. And also fixed the other issues. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 06:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  • Make that lead image bigger, up to 300px is cool (I think) by the MOS.
  • You don't mention franchise until the start of para 2 of the lead. For non-US readers this concept is a little unclear so perhaps mention it earlier (like when they moved cities perhaps?) and link suitably?
  • Pehaps I've forgotten but typically numbers like 3200 are written with a comma separating the thousands, 3,200 say. Your numbers don't do this.
  • Apostrophe question - lead has "Of the Rockets' current players...", Yao Ming's caption has "Yao Ming holds Rockets records..." aren't Rockets being used in the same way here? My grammar isn't top notch so perhaps that's nonsense.
  • "Tracy McGrady made 6 of the ..." six?
  • "The Rockets only scored 66..."... scored only, not only scored...
  • Not sure why the list is categorised under "National Basketball Association templates"... possibly need a noinclude in the template? Not sure...
Fixed last point—Chris! ct 18:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed them all, I think. I just piped franchise to professional sports organization in the first sentence, so hopefully that will cover that issue. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 06:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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