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List of Holocaust transports from Slovakia edit

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Nominator(s): buidhe 19:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a comprehensive list of all transports that deported from Slovakia between 1942 and 1945, carrying most of the Slovak Jews to their deaths. It is a pair with The Holocaust in Slovakia, headed to FAC soon, and I believe it meets the FLC criteria. Copyediting was recently done by Twofingered Typist of GOCE. This is my first FLC nomination. buidhe 19:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • The first sentence feels a little weird since you're trying to have that first link; I'd suggest "During the Holocaust, most of Slovakia's Jewish population..." and link The Holocaust in Slovakia another way
    • Done
  • The lead has "In 1944" but doesn't mention the rest of "and 1944–1945". Does that 13,500 include the 1945 transports?
    • Yes it does—fixed
  • The 1942 destinations all repeat "concentration camp" but the 1944 ones do not; see if there's a better way to word for conciseness.
    • I'm not sure there is. In 1942 it's needed for clarification because destinations were concentration camps, ghettos, or extermination camps, but in 1944 all the destinations were concentration camps so it's not needed. I'll have to think about it.
  • I know sources can't all be perfectly accurate and consistent, but here it says around 67,000 died, but The_Holocaust_in_Slovakia#Aftermath has 68,000 to 71,000.
  • "The logical solution"???
    • Reworded
  • Wikilinks for the source cities like Trnava
    • Done, on first mention.
  • Is there reason some have the citation in the date column and others in the Source column
    • Yes, sources differ on the dates because some sources are giving the departure date, others the date of crossing the border, and more the arrival date. So where sources differ I cite that in the date column. For the third table, the source location is cited inline because it isn't mentioned in the main source (Büchler).
  • HSĽS is not defined
    • Fixed

Great job, thanks for your work on this important topic. Reywas92Talk 00:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    • Reywas92, thanks so much for your comments. I think I have addressed most of them and the others I'm not sure how to fix. buidhe 01:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Excellent, I support! It wouldn't hurt to expand the lead a bit but overall it's great. Reywas92Talk 01:49, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Minor point: The Auschwitz list could have one or two columns sortable and I guess the notes columns in all the tables could be set to be "unsortable".Chidgk1 (talk) 18:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done both. Thanks for your review. buidhe 18:59, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wonder if it should have an article description.Chidgk1 (talk) 15:45, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    plus Added buidhe 16:48, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley edit

  • "which resulted in large numbers of them becoming impoverished. Manufactured Jewish impoverishment was a pressing social problem for the Slovak government". "Manufactured" is an odd word to use here and I do not think you need to repeat "impoverish". How about "This became a pressing social problem""?
    •  Done
  • "In 1939, the Lublin Reservation". I would add "in Poland".
    • Done
  • "Judenberater (Jewish adviser)". This translation implies that he was Jewish, but you mean the opposite. Can you find a different translation?
    • Done
  • "Transports were timed to reach the Slovak border at Čadca at 04:28;[21] they left Patrónka,[22] Poprad,[23] and Nováky in the evening,[20] and Žilina at 03:20.[24] In Zwardon" This will mean little to readers no familiar with the geography. Also were the timings so the local population would not know what was going on? If so you should say so, and if not there is no point in mentioning them.
    • I believe you're right, but none of the sources say so. I've simplified this and put some of the detail in a note, because some readers may want to know this information.
  • Many of the figures are obviously estimates, but you do not say so unless I have missed it. This should be clarified.
    • This is a bit complicated, because most of the sources do not discuss their methodology much if at all. If it's not stated to be an estimate, I shouldn't assume it is. Furthermore, round numbers are not necessarily
  • Putting an image about 1944 in the section on 1942 is confusing.
    • I know, but the few images that exist of the ramp as it appeared in 1942 are under dubious licensing. (This image is unlikely to be free so I nominated it for deletion.) Would a different image be better?
  • I do not think you need an image in every section. I would delete the map about the uprising as less relevant and move the 1944 image to to its correct place. Dudley Miles (talk) 07:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the 1942 section, it would be helpful to repeat the year when giving dates at the start of the Lublin and Auschwitz sub-sections.
    • Done
  • "Between 25 March and 20 October 1942, about 57,000[91][92] or 58,000[93][94] Jews (two-thirds of the population) were deported.[91][92] (According to records, the number was exactly 57,628[20] or 57,752.)" "According to records" is too vague, and in any case you do not need to go into such detail about minor differences in the figures. I would delete the discussion and just say approximately 57,700.
    • Done
  • "been deported or had fled to Hungary" I assume that they fled to Hungary because at that stage Jews were safe there, but it would be helpful to clarify.
    • Done
  • "Attempts by Germany and Slovak People's Party radicals to resume the transports in 1943 were unsuccessful" Why?
    • This is explained more fully in the linked article, but I've added a brief explanation.
  • An interesting but very harrowing article. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for your review! buidhe 02:43, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks fine. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – pass edit

  • In "Browning, Christopher R. (2007)", the date range needs an endash, rather than a hyphen.
  • The same in "Czech, Danuta (1997)".
  • In "Fatran, Gila (2007)", the hyphen in "SNM - Múzeum Židovskej" need to be an endash.
  • In "Friling, Tuvia (2006)", the year range needs an endash, rathern than a hyphen.
  • Same in "Hutzelmann, Barbara (2018)".
  • In "Farkash, Talia (2014)", Dęblin-Irena should have an endash, per out article.
    • Done all of these.
  • Can you sort out the title of "Johnson, Owen V. (2005)", which should finish with "kontexte". If possible, can an English translation be given, as you've done for the other sources.
    • This is the correct title according to the source (it is an English-language review of a Slovak language book). Adding translation would be confusing because it might lead readers to assume that it is a non-English source.
  • "Seznam všech transportů do Terezína", the last web source, needs publisher details.
    • I just got rid of it because it duplicates other sources.
  • All references are to apparently reliable sources.
  • A consistent and appropriate formatting style is used.
  • Spotchecks on the open access sources reveal no evidence of copyvio or close para-phrasing. Harrias talk 09:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the review! I believe that I've addressed all the points. buidhe 11:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Looks good to me. Harrias talk 12:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Note: I made a few tweaks to the tables to meet MOS:ACCESS. They could also do with row scopes, per MOS:DTT, but I didn't want to make this change myself, as it isn't necessarily clear what it should be.
      • I am also taking part in the WikiCup, and will claim points for this review. Harrias talk 12:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted. --PresN 18:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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