Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Heisman Trophy winners/archive1

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The list was promoted 02:23, 17 March 2008.

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List of Heisman Trophy winners

Probably some of my best work in lists, I have reviewed the criteria and think this list is ready. STORMTRACKER 94 ^{Go Sox!} 11:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Resolved stuff from The Rambling Man (talk) 14:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• No idea what sport this is about from the first four or five sentences in the lead. Remember these FLs need to be accessible to all.
• "Tragically, he too never played a snap in the NFL, as he was diagnosed with leukemia shortly after winning the award, and died in 1963." - too much POV, a bit of jargon "played a snap"? and needs citation.
• In fact, most of the lead claims need citation.
• Key shouldn't be a section of its own.
• Tom Brown's picture is, well, a little odd in this context. Could do with further explanation in the caption.
• Since it's sortable, wikilink every instance of the position of the winner.
• Use the {{sortname}} template so the players sort by their surname.
• Ideally (but not essentially) the images should be the same width.
• Image:Tebowleak.jpg is pretty grim, can you get permission/licence to crop it to just include the subject in question?
• Trophies by school could do with at least a single sentence of lead and then tabulation rather than indented bullets.
• Are four external links necessary here? I can't really see any of them are useful besides the official award website.

So, oppose for the moment, but most of these are easy fixes so let me know if you'd like a reassessment. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC) Did a few, ready to fix the rest. STORMTRACKER 94 ^{Go Sox!} 21:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Done with another, but I think the images look pretty good how they are. STORMTRACKER 94 ^{Go Sox!} 22:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The WP:MOS#Images recommends the use of upright for portraits - this is instead of forcing your own widths... The Rambling Man (talk) 11:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I did that, but it does not seem to work correctly. Got it. I am done now. STORMTRACKER 94 ^{Go Sox!} 11:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

• Further comments
  • Consider right aligning the number of points column so the commas line up.
  • Check the names link to the correct people, e.g. Steve Owens, Pat Sullivan etc. You can do this by piping another parameter, the actual article name, into the {{sortname}} template after the surname, e.g. {{sortname|Steve|Owens|Steve Owens (American football}}.
  • Add a break between Trophies and won in the heading of the second table, it should help make the column thinner.
• That's it, very much better... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments by JKBrooks85

Comments

• Good work so far, but it still needs a little work. You need some in-line citations for the lede paragraphs. At least one per paragraph, but more are suggested.
• Jim Plunkett's school isn't listed.
• I'd suggest converting the "trophies by school" section into a table.
• You need at least some prose for the "trophies by school" section.
• The picture captions should be complete sentences.

If you need any assistance, just ask, and I'll be willing to help. Good luck! I'm looking forward to being able to add it to the list of Wikiproject College Football featured content. JKBrooks85 (talk) 05:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll be working on the rest. STORMTRACKER 94 ^{Go Sox!} 11:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. STORMTRACKER 94 ^{Go Sox!} 11:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The picture captions still aren't complete sentences, and you need to include the publisher, accessed date, and official name of the source in the in-line citations. Something like the ones in 2008 Orange Bowl would work well if you're reluctant to use the citation template. Once you've got those two taken care of, I'll go through and give it a copyedit.

JKBrooks85 (talk) 00:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. STORMTRACKER 94 ^{Go Sox!} 11:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

• Support. I've given the article a thorough copyedit, have added six more citations, clarified the lede, and generally cleaned up the article. I've checked each listing for correctness, and have attempted to clear up the circumstances around the DAC's loss of its original building. The only thing that I'd suggest adding would be a column for the second-place finisher each year with their point total. That would give readers an idea of how the vote totals changed over time and give an indication of closer races than more distant ones. Good work. JKBrooks85 (talk) 08:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Question Considering that this list is about college football, wouldn't it be better to note which winners have been inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 13:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• Off hand, I'd imagine that 95% percent are in there. I could be wrong, but if that's the case, then you wouldn't get much distinction. That being said, if they are all in there, it's a fact that should be mentioned in the prose. JKBrooks85 (talk) 09:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Then perhaps you should add a sentence about which winners aren't in the College Football Hall of Fame. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Support Well cited, nicely done. Meets all criteria. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 16:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Support (same reasons as stated by Milk's Favorite Cookie), but with one very minor issue. My issue: The sequence of the images of the winners is odd. While the names of winners are in chronological sequence (1935 to 2007), the images are not (1992-1986-2004-2005). I would fix this myself, but I can't tell if this was intentional (for some reason that I can't perceive). --Orlady (talk) 17:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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