Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Grade I listed buildings in Mendip/archive1

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 22:39, 27 June 2009 [1].

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List of Grade I listed buildings in Mendip

Nominator(s): — Rod ^talk 21:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

• Featured list candidates/List of Grade I listed buildings in Mendip/archive1

I am nominating List of Grade I listed buildings in Mendip for featured list because I feel it meets all the criteria, is well supported by references to reliable sources and has a selection of suitable images to illustrate the sorts of buildings included. It follows the structure of the recently promoted List of Grade I listed buildings in Sedgemoor. — Rod ^talk 21:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) "110,00." Is it British style to have the comma after every two zeros? No it was a typo now fixed "Most of them are" Done "Norman or medieval era churches, "-->Norman- or medieval-era churches, I believe this has come up in previous FLCs, you may want to make sure your future nominations implement this change Done & I will try to ensure I do this in future nominations "10th century Cathedral Church of St Andrew, Wells"-->10th-century Cathedral Church of St Andrew, Wells Done "and the 13th century Bishop's Palace."--and the 13th-century Bishop's Palace. Done There are several more examples where centuries used as adjectives should be hyphenated. See if you can catch the rest. I still find this counter intuitive, but have tried to catch them all & will try to learn from this "Glastonbury is the site of the Abbey where construction started in the 7th century[6] and its associated buildings and the ruined St Michael's church, which was damaged in an earthquake of 1275,[7] on Glastonbury Tor, although the site shows evidence of occupation from Neolithic times and the Dark Ages,[8] with the Chalice Well being in use since Pre-Christian times." A mouthful of a sentence. Split it up. Done "outside of the town" Done "the town with tithe barns being built at Pilton[10] and West Bradley[11] to holds tithes, and a Fish House[12] and summer residence for the Abbott which is now Manor Farmhouse[13] at Meare."-->the town; tithe barns were built at Pilton[10] and West Bradley[11] to holds tithes, as well as a Fish House[12] and summer residence for the Abbott, now Manor Farmhouse[13] at Meare. Done "Farleigh Hungerford Castle which was fortified around 1370"-->Farleigh Hungerford Castle, fortified around 1370 Done "and The George Inn at Norton St Philip which was used as an army headquarters during the Monmouth Rebellion in 1685, and then as a courtroom to try the rebels in the Bloody Assizes"-->and The George Inn at Norton St Philip, used as an army headquarters during the Monmouth Rebellion in 1685, and then as a courtroom to try the rebels in the Bloody Assizes Done "St Peter at Hornblotton which was built in 1872–74 by Sir Thomas Graham Jackson replacing a medieval church on the same site,"-->St Peter at Hornblotton, built in 1872–74 by Sir Thomas Graham Jackson to replace a medieval church on the same site, Done "which is more formally known as"-->more formally known as Done No ampersands (I saw one in the table. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC) I found one in the dates column & have fixed that one - I had fixed them all in article titles but if I've missed any more let me know. Response Thanks for these I hope I've fixed them all & will try to learn from your comment although I still find XXth-century grates for me.— Rod talk 16:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

• What makes [2] reliable?

• Cathedrals Plus is run by the "Pilgrim's Association". Membership of the Association includes almost all the Church of England cathedrals, three Anglican cathedrals in Wales and three in Ireland, three of the Metropolitical Roman Catholic cathedrals, the Methodist Central Hall and Wesley’s Chapel together with several Abbeys and major churches. It is governed by a Council of fifteen members elected for a three-year term on a rotational basis at the Annual General Meeting. It is a registered charity with the Council Members acting as trustees and is responsible to the Charity Commission for the proper conduct of its affairs. (see About the Pilgrims Association)

• Likewise http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/h8-glastonbury.html? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

• This comes from the Internet Medieval Sourcebook in which Paul Halsall has collected together a range of relevant letters and texts into an accessible format, in which he cites all the original sources used. It is hosted by the Fordham University Center for Medieval Studies of Fordham University in New York. See [3] for information about the sourcebook, its editor, the sources used and selection process.
• If these are not seen as being reliable I will look for another reference to back up the claims.— Rod ^talk 16:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

• No need; I'm satisfied. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Hassocks5489

*Comments from Hassocks5489* Another good listed buildings list, with just a few points to raise from me. It's very pleasing to see how well Wikipedia's coverage of listed buildings is coming on. Lead: First three paragraphs jump from describing Mendip to explaining listed buildings then back to describing Mendip. Perhaps #3 could be combined with #1 to make a new larger first paragraph, which is then followed by the unchanged #2 paragraph (the one with the details about listing)? This would also flow nicely into the current paragraph #4, which starts "There are 90 Grade I listed buildings in Mendip...". Done The wikilink to Cathedral Church of St Andrew, Wells may be better piped as [[Cathedral Church of St Andrew, Wells|Cathedral Church of St Andrew]] to prevent repetition of "Wells". If this is done, the sentence would look better remodelled as: "In Wells these are clustered around the 10th-century Cathedral Church of St Andrew, better known as Wells Cathedral, and the 13th-century Bishop's Palace." (Something is needed to set off the Bishop's Palace clause from the Wells Cathedral info.) Done "Glastonbury is the site of the Abbey where construction started in the 7th century and its associated buildings." would read better with commas before and after "where construction started in the 7th century". My own writing style might even favour the stronger jolt of the em-dash, although I do tend to be quite "heavy" with punctuation. The problem with using an em-dash here would be that it would look nasty with the ref next to it (an annoying, eternal problem). Done The next sentences are a bit difficult to follow as well. Possible alternatives: "The ruined St Michael's church, damaged in an earthquake of 1275, stands on Glastonbury Tor, where the site shows evidence of occupation from Neolithic times and the Dark Ages." Done "The Chalice Well has been in use since Pre-Christian times." Done "Glastonbury Abbey had a wider influence outside the town: tithe barns were built at Pilton and West Bradley to hold tithes, and a Fish House was built at Meare along with a summer residence for the Abbot (now Manor Farmhouse)." (I "upgraded" the semicolon to a colon and corrected the spelling of "Abbot" as well as reworking the sentence.) Done In the sentence beginning "The most recent buildings included in the list are churches;", I would favour a colon over a semicolon again. Done Picture captions: Abbey Tithe barn: suggest "was used as a Tithe barn" → "was used as a tithe barn". Done Comma between "Wells Cathedral" and "which" would be better; or add a comma and eliminate "which was". Done Table: Year sorting looks correct; I assume from looking at various examples that e.g. "13th century" has been deemed to lie in the middle of the century for sorting purposes (so for example, "c. 1230" precedes "13th century", which precedes "c. 1280"). I agree with the logic. Everything else looks fine; [note]s all provide the correct extra info, clarifications etc. One minor point on [Note 9]: "...includes the stables which is now used as a study centre" → "...includes the stables, now used as a study centre". Done Typo in [Note 10]: "Orchadlea" → "Orchardlea". Done [Note 15]: "...with the link wall along east side." → "...with the link wall along the east side." Done [Note 17]: Better to spell out "Street" in "1 St Andrew St". Also, the abbreviation "Nos" has a full stop after it in the refs, but not in the text of the note. As far as I know, both variants are acceptable, so change whichever you prefer (adding one in the note would be quicker, otherwise you have about four to remove in the refs :) ) one I tried a random selection of the clickable grid refs, and the link to Google Maps worked correctly. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 16:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC) Response Thanks for your detailed comments - hopefully all addressed.— Rod talk 20:26, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Support – all comments addressed. I agree with your rationale for the two sources queried by Dabomb, so I can add my support. By the way, I corrected a damaged wikilink by adding "]]". Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

• Support per Dabomb. – (iMatthew • talk) at 02:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

• Support very good indeed, just one thing - not keen on the placement of ref 12 - shouldn't it be following punctuation where possible? The Rambling Man (talk) 10:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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