Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Detroit Lions in the Pro Football Hall of Fame/archive1

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List of Detroit Lions in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

Featured list candidates/List of Detroit Lions in the Pro Football Hall of Fame/archive1

Nominator(s): Hey man im josh (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it follows fairly closely to the level of detail and information on another featured list, List of Green Bay Packers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per crition 3c. This list of people is already at Detroit_Lions#Pro_Football_Hall_of_Famers and List of Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees, which is sortable by team. While compared to the former this list also has the overall career beyond those with the Lions and the pro bowls, those could be easily added there, with no need for a separate page. The Packers list also largely duplicates Green_Bay_Packers#Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame_members and could be merged as well; there's a reason until you made this there were only four lists of this type. Reywas92^Talk 21:14, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for for your response. On the one hand, you're right, a stripped down version is already included at Detroit_Lions#Pro_Football_Hall_of_Famers. On the other hand, I personally like to see the accolades of those who made it to the hall of fame from a specific team and the additional details that can be included that are not already in the List of Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees page. I acknowledge what I like may not be the same as what others like, but I do believe there is a case that can be made for the usefulness of this article when compared to the other two lists. People like to learn more about their team, and a dedicated page about their guys is something a lot of them like to read more about. Based on some feedback I've received I have work to do, but I hope you'll at least consider it if I flush this page out further. Please be blunt and let me know if you think it won't be worth re-nominating, even after improvements. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think this same list of people should be listed three times, and all of these lists should be merged/redirected with further data fitting fine in the main page. However I'm not the only reviewer so if others have positive feedback I'll be glad to see this improved. Reywas92^Talk 00:36, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments (ec with the above)

Opening sentence is very weird, starting with "The team" as if the subject had already been introduced. Find a way to reword.

Done

Refs go after punctuation, not before, also there shouldn't be a space between the punctuation and the ref

Sorry, could you clarify this for me? Are you referring to reference 2, which is in the middle of a sentence?

Seems to have been resolved..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:17, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"The Lions organization is [....] and compete" - singular/plural disagreement

Done

"The franchise has won 4 NFL championships." - write the number as a word

Done

The lead generally feels very thin, there must surely be more to say. The lead on the Green Bay list linked above is far longer.
"Dick "Night Train" Lane, a defensive back who played 6 seasons for the Lions" => "Dick "Night Train" Lane, a defensive back who played six seasons for the Lions"

Done

Running back isn't one word

Done - You're right, I should have realized that was just a redirect going to the main page.

In the Doak Walker caption, the & should be written as a word

Done

Names should sort based on surname, not forename
"All-Pros" heading needs some sort of explanation (or at the very least a wikilink to somewhere appropriate) as I for one haven't got a clue what it means

Done

Same for "Pro Bowls", whatever that is

Done

Dashes in the career span column are different to those in the next column

Done

All the notes are, frankly, redundant. The table clearly shows that Culp played for 14 years, only two of which were with Detroit. There really is no need for a footnote to say that he only spent a minor portion of his career with Detroit.
You don't need to link to List of Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees in two different places

Done

In the refs you show the same publisher three different ways - "ProFootballHOF.com. NFL Enterprises.", just "www.profootballhof.com" and "Pro Football Hall of Fame". Pick one and use it throughout.
All images need alt text
That's what I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:21, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You gave a lot of great feedback. I appreciate it. I marked a lot of them as done and the rest of them I'll work on further when I get a chance. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh: - just wondering.....are you still working on this? Some of the points I raised approximately a month ago are still outstanding....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:40, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @ChrisTheDude:, you made a lot of great points that I genuinely appreciated. In all honesty, I am not at this point in time. It's something I hope to come back to at some point but I realized there was just so much work that needed to be done that I felt it better to come back to later on, when I've become better at editing on Wikipedia. One of the big things was the accessibility. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. !|Class becomes !scope=col | Class.
Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | style=" color:white;" | 1963 becomes !scope=row style="color:white;" | 1963.
Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. --Pres N 03:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the feedback. I hadn't considered accessibility before your post. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Reywas92. This list adds not much beyond what is already in the main Lions article. If we had some context for each of those listed in the table, and some explanation as to how they got in in their career to get them elevated to the HoF, then it'd be different. Right now, it's nothing beyond what's in the main article. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing as archived, multiple unaddressed opposes. --Pres N 14:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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