Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes

List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 14 days, 4 support, 0 oppose. I have ignored the first "speedy close" remark, as it relates to the list being nominated at WP:FAC, and is therefore not relevant in this promotion. Promote. Raime 21:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

self-nomination - I found this article looking like this, with references that poined to dead links, episodes with no description, the episode list template was different for each season, etc etc. I've recently made major updates to the article by adding an descriptions for each episode, some season information, plenty of working citations, made each episode list template identical, and while it wasn't my intention, I think it may now meet FA status, à la List of Sopranos episodes and List of Lost episodes. I did add each and every mini-series and web series because Degrassi Minis was listed there, but the article got too long so I removed them, as well as the list of Degrassi Minis, put them on their own page and linked to them. I would like to add a couple of comments here also.

Being English myself, all spellings are in British English which I'm sure is what Canadians use, rather than American English but someone with more knowledge could tell me about that.
Another thing I'm undecided on right now is the fact that each episode takes its title from a 1980s song (except 3 or 4 which are named after albums, 90s songs and a band), and whether or not to list the song the episode takes it's name from in the summary box: Titular song: [[Mother and Child Reunion]] by [[Paul Simon]] (1972) for the first episode, for example. I would have not included them, but most of the articles for individual episodes don't meet notability, and that is where the information is current placed.
The series is Canadian and airs on CTV, but also airs in America on The N. Normally I wouldn't have added an alternative air date, except for the fact that episodes of season six and seven air in America before Canada, and to keep the episode list templates identical for every season I added the US airdates for seasons 1 - 5.

If these need to be addressed, I will do so. All comments, suggestions etc will be acted upon, although I may be offline tomorrow. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 04:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure that this should be nominated for featured list candidacy. Awadewit | talk 04:37, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close and move - This does not belong at WP:FAC, it belongs at WP:FLC. I suggest you close this and move it to that page. Also, please note that nominating several articles at once for FAC is officially discouraged... Cheers, Spawn Man 05:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I moved it from FAC to FLC now though. It's my first time and I messed up completely, my apologies -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Nom has now relocated the nomination... Spawn Man 05:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Unaired episodes need referencing to verify those titles.
- Hi Cliff. I included a reference in the intro paragraph of season 7 for the episode titles. Should I duplicate the reference for each episode title also? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Since it's in the intro, I don't think duplication is necessary. Cliff smith 17:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References 63–78 appear to be incomplete.
- I'm not sure what you exactly mean by this.. Are they incomplete due to missing information, or due to faulty links? There is no information for authors for refs 65, 66 and 78, refs 68-70 and 72-77 require registration to message boards for access, and the links seem to work fine for me. Could you elaborate a little so I can fix? Thanks -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I meant incomplete due to missing info. Cliff smith 17:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the short summaries are a little bit shorter than others. It would be best to aim for a uniform number of sentences, like 2 or 3.
Beyond all of the above: Using other FLs for guidance is the best thing to do, but when a show has this many seasons, it's good to go for what was done with List of Smallville episodes and List of The Simpsons episodes (these are FLs too). What that means is this: since each season has its own page, all short summaries should be on the season pages only. Some of the season pages for The Simpsons are FLs as well, and one is also nominated right now.
- I actually used FLs List of Sopranos episodes and list of Lost episodes as guidelines, both of which have episode summaries. Honestly, I didn't know about the two you mentioned. The Lost episode list also has summaries of the season, with regards to airdates and character changes. What is the current consensus for this? Is it the ones I used as guidelines or the ones you pointed out? I certainaly don't mind changing them and definitely understand your point, but to keep Wikipedia uniformed, one way needs to be done instead of the other. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - What I mean is that the summaries should only be on the season pages.
    It's excellent that you used the two FLs that you did. (It's actually the only current LOE guideline: to use FL LOEs for developing all others.) And to address the Lost LOE, I don't think that program-specific info really belongs on the main LOE, it should probably be in the season and episode pages. Cliff smith 17:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Cliff smith 18:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: Excellent start, but I have a few comments I'd like to hear about before supporting or opposing.
- Consider dropping episodes of which nothing is known. Or even those after Jessie's Girl (with text mention that titles are known for episodes x-y), and leaving the full table in the season article.
  - First of all, thankyou, Circeus. I've Done this, to a point.. I compromised and removed the episodes for which titles are not known. Is this satisfactory? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Season colors are best used to make the season sections distinct from each others.
  - Done Matched colours to the colours used on DVD boxes, which appears to be the consensus on Wikipedia, except I left seasons 6 and 7 as #cccccc as no DVDs have been released, and the colour matches pretty closely to that used on the Degrassi logo. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The plot analysis is interesting, but probably overdetailed, and should at least be cited. Consider leaving it to the series article.
  - As I wrote in my reply to Cliff smith, what is the more used version of an episode list? Is it the way I did it, or should these be moved to the individual season articles and a list such as those at List of Smallville episodes and List of The Simpsons episodes be made instead? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - I was referring to the episode structure bit from the intro. Circeus 22:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Similarly, I'm concerned that the casting changes are a bit overdetailed for a list of episodes (especially given you have a very complete and detailed schedule explanation), maybe those should be moved to the season articles. Maybe it's just me though. I haven't checked a multi-season FL for episodes in a while.
  - Again, I looked at the Lost episode guide for inspiration. It's just that there's more comings and goings at Degrassi Community School than a deserted island! Can I ask what you think about the info on the airdates. I feel these would be more important, especially with The N airing episodes before Canada for seasons 6 and 7, and also since The N effectively separates every seasons into a winter season and a summer season each year. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - The airdates are very interesting, actually! It's only the casting changesparts (as they appear mainly used as a "filling device") I'm not sure about, but then they are used in other FL lists too, so maybe it's just me. Circeus 22:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Season 5 and 6's summaries seem oddly short compared to previous seasons.Is there a specific reason for that?
  - None at all. I didn't realise in fact, but then if the article is redone to look like that of The Simpsons and Smallville episodes, this will me a mute point. Again, all I need is a "Yay" or a "Nay". -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - I personally feel the episode summaries are okay (we have other single-page lists of comparable length). Though it could reasonably be considered. Circeus 22:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Season four: "Production Twenty-two episodes were produced [...]" (!)
  - Done -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Under season 7, the tentative season start date in the text and the table are contradicting each others.
  - I've only just noticed that, as the date in the table has been added by another user. I don't want to act like I "own" the article, although I can't find anywhere in real world or online where any other date other than that in the text has been mentioned. Should the date in the table be deleted until a date can be verified and referenced? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Yes, of course. If information added is contradicted by reliable source and no corroboration can be found,there's not point in keeping it. Circeus 22:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Circeus 05:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks okay to me. Circeus 16:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Circeus. Cliff smith 17:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks guys! -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 20:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This is extremely close to becoming an FL. I just a few minor concerns:
- The headings that introduce each season use many stubby paragraphs. Some of these short, one to two sentence paragraphs that may be warranted, as they may incude an whole idea. However, in general, these stubby paragraphs should try to be combined with larger ones. I would recommend possibly combining the first and last sentences of each heading, as airing dates and season plots seem relevant enough to place in the same paragraph.
- The lead is too long, and it similarly uses stubby paragraphs. Five paragraphs is too long; it should be shortened to three. Again, consider combining the shorter paragraphs.
- I don't think it is a good idea to use the same color for seasons 6 and 7. Using two shades that are very similar is fine, but I don't think using #cccccc on both is needed. But then again, that is just my opinion.
Overall, this is a great list. I will support as soon as these concerns are adressed/explained. Good job! Rai-me 12:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for commenting Rai-me..
- Done
- Done
- Not done. As I said earlier, I followed the 'rule' regarding season colours, which is to use DVD box colours, and since seasons 6 and 7 haven't been released on DVD, I left the colour, cccccc, the same, which is also pretty close to the Degrassi logo (see here). Also, featured list List of Simpsons episodes has kept seasons 11 through 19 the same Simpsons-ish yellow since those seasons aren't available on DVD.
-- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 20:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Great list, and thanks for meeting and explaining my concerns. And the color comment was just my opinion. If other episode lists do it, then I guess this one should remain as is. Rai-me 21:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]