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List of Charmed novels and short stories edit

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Nominator(s): Aoba47 (talk) 19:20, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone! The following is a list of the novels and short stories based on Charmed. I would greatly appreciate any feedback for this list. Thank you in advance. Aoba47 (talk) 19:20, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from U990467
  • @U990467: Thank you for your comment. I have removed the additional links to Barnes & Noble, Amazon.com, and Tumblr from the references. Aoba47 (talk) 13:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Everything looks fine. I support it. --U990467 (talk) 13:45, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Paparazzzi
  • " The franchise consists of 44 novels and 11 short stories released in two anthologies, with 10 guide books..." According to WP:NUMNOTES, "Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all in figures; five cats and thirty-two dogs, not five cats and 32 dogs"
  • Thank you for the comment as for some reason I have misread this policy in the past so thank you for clarifying this for me. I still have a lot to learn about Wikipedia policy and its style guide so it is nice to learn how to be better. I have revised this. Aoba47 (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there any explanation to why Prue died and Paige was subsequently included in the novel series?
  • That is a good point. The novels were intended to follow the continuity from the television show so when the character of Prue was killed off/removed from the series and the character Paige was added and more prominently featured. I hope this makes sense. Aoba47 (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "While Piper and Phoebe conflict over the best way to handle the situation, Paige notices their strange behavior and keeps her new friendship a secret." Friendship with whom?
  • "When Piper starts leaving Wyatt at a day care center," Can you add that Wyatt is her son? or at least that's why I understood from the sentence
  • Revised and added a link for the character. Aoba47 (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...calls upon future versions of Chris and Wyatt to help..." same as above
  • Revised and added a link for the character. Aoba47 (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • While on a vacation, the sisters encounter an ancient demon who beings to change... I guess it's "begins"
I really enjoyed reading this list. Since my comments are minor and I know they are going to be addressed, I'm going to support this nomination. Congratulations, Aoba47. Great work. Regards, Paparazzzi (talk) 06:19, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your support. I greatly appreciate your help, and your comments have helped to improve the article a great deal. Have a wonderful rest of your day. Aoba47 (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – The article looks fine and organised. Damian Vo (talk) 15:31, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by PresN
  • "The Charmed literary franchise is a series of novels and short stories, first published in November 1, 1999 as a novelization of the series pilot "Something Wicca This Way Comes"." - this opening sentence manages to avoid actually mentioning that it's based on a tv show, only implying it. I'd split it in half as well- "The Charmed literary franchise is a series of novels and short stories based on the eponymous television show, which aired from 1998 to 2006. The first work in the literary series, The Power of Three, is a novelization published in November 1999 of the series pilot "Something Wicca This Way Comes"." I dropped the full date there; if you think it's really important that readers know it was November 1, it should be "on" November 1, 1999.
  • "allies. ten novels are set" - capital T
  • "Two novels, [...], are anthologies of short stories" - novels are not anthologies. Use "Two works" or "Two books".
  • "Writers of the series include Diana G. Gallagher and Paul Ruditis who also co-authored two volumes of the official guidebook..." - this gets a little messy, maybe rework to be "(Number) authors have written works in the series, including Diana G. Gallagher and Paul Ruditis, who also co-authored the two volumes of the official guidebook..."
  • Although, jumping ahead a bit, the article's tables do not make clear that The Book of Three is the sole "official" guidebook in its description(s)
  • "Writers of all officially-licensed literature on Charmed" -> "Writers of all officially-licensed Charmed literature"
  • "[t]he studio still has" - you don't need to call out minor capitalization tweaks in quotes, so just "the studio still has"
  • "The comics reference the novel" -> novels
  • "The comics reference the novel, such as Shand consulting with Ruditis about the character Tyler Michaels in Season 10 – a firestarter who first appeared in the season four episode "Lost and Bound"; Ruditis had portrayed Tyler in the novel The Brewing Storm (2004), and Shand wanted to avoid inconsistencies or "retreading"." - there's some awkwardness around tense here (consulting with) and some punctuation problems (the dash'd aside never gets closed, but runs into a semicolon instead). Try "The comics reference the novels; for example, Shand consulted with Ruditis about the character Tyler Michaels in Season 10. While Michaels had first appeared in the season four episode "Lost and Bound", Ruditis had also portrayed Tyler in the novel The Brewing Storm (2004), and Shand wanted to avoid inconsistencies or "retreading"."
  • While I understand that plot-wise it was a pivotal event, I'm unclear on why you're splitting the novels between seasons 1-2 and 3+. It seems arbitrary, especially as there's no gap in publication between the books nor any indication that, say, the styling or logo changed or anything other than the internal plot of the series.
  • Revised. I used the "First novel series" and "Second novel series" as suggested below. Aoba47 (talk) 18:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "E-books, by publication sequence" - not the best heading; the publication format isn't the main difference between the books, and there's nothing stopping someone from releasing the original novels as e-books which would make it even less distinguishing. Also, it's not "by publication sequence" since its a sortable table. Maybe "Second novel series" or "Post-television novels" or something?
  • See above. "Post-television novels" would not be entirely accurate as there is one novel published in the original novel series that was set after the series finale of television series. Aoba47 (talk) 18:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are... the first 10 novels literally all 192 pages exactly? That seems unlikely, but would be pretty dedicated on behalf of the authors if true.
  • I based all of the page numbers on what was given from Amazon.com and it had this information; it may be more of a page limit set up the publisher if anything. Aoba47 (talk) 18:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also drop ", by publication sequence" from the other headers, the tables can sort by many things even if date is the default
  • Use the {{sort}} template for titles that start with "the" or "a"; e.g. {{sort|Power of Three|The Power of Three}} so that they sort by the correct letter
  • Author names should use the {{sortname}} template so that they sort by last name, e.g. {{sortname|Eliza|Willard}} (or {{sortname|Eliza|Willard|nolink=1}} if you don't want a redlink).
  • I will get to this later tonight/tomorrow as this will take more work. Quick question though: how do I do this with multiple authors? Aoba47 (talk) 18:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you get page counts of the short stories?
  • Since I do not own either of the short story collections, I do not have access to this information. I can find the page numbers for The Warren Witches, but I cannot find them for the other one unfortunately without buying it. Aoba47 (talk) 18:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The descriptions of the Guidebooks and scholarly essay collections are a little unstandardized; it would be helpful if they each started by saying if it's an official guidebook or unofficial one or collection of essays or what. Also Triquetra is the only one to restate the title.
  • I will get to this later tonight/tomorrow as this will take more work. I primarily took all of the descriptions from the old Charmed academia page, but I think I am going to rewrite all of them. Aoba47 (talk) 18:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not doing a source review, but I feel that the "Note: Information taken from artist's official Tumblr account." bits in the references are unnecesary. I agree with the justification for why it's reliable, but that's not a useful link or addendum to readers; maybe instead add a "work" field like "Pat Shand's blog". --PresN 18:15, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@PresN: Thank you for your comments; I have addressed some of them above. I look forward to hearing your responses. Aoba47 (talk) 18:47, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support --PresN 20:00, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

I used the archivebot to archive most urls that were dead. While Amazon was almost delisted from reliable sources early this year, it still works. All the other sources seem reliable so I think this list passes its source review.Tintor2 (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you as always; I greatly appreciate your help. I will definitely have to read up on the discussions about Amazon as a reliable source as I can see arguments for both sides. Aoba47 (talk) 14:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008:@The Rambling Man:@PresN: I believe that this is ready for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 20:22, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping, I'll try to review the list first thing tomorrow (i.e. in about 9 hours time) and let you know. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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