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The list was withdrawn by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 18:04:23 2 April 2019 (UTC) [1].

List of Chancellors of Austria edit

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Nominator(s): Colonestarrice (talk) 17:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I worked 12 hours on this and think it looks magnificent. Colonestarrice (talk) 17:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Chancellor is a common noun and should be lowercase in most instances, as should government, vice-chancellor, and ministers.
  • Comma after "Republic of German-Austria"
  • "Dollfuss's Assassination", per MOS:POSS, or reword
  • "Federal Chancellor, the first" fix comma splice.
  • "Arthur Seyss-Inquart which" He is not a thing, should be "who" preceded by a comma
  • Austria didn't become known as the Second Republic, its government did
  • "allied-occupation" is not hyphenated
  • "parties have almost fully dominated every aspect of politics" This isn't a remarkable statement; most republics have had parties all century. Could be reworded that the Peoples Party and SDP have dominated politics.
  • It's also the People's Party.
  • "other governments, the" Another comma splice
  • The last sentence of that paragraph should also be reworded.
  • "days however, after" again
  • Table problem at Klaus
  • Annexation row doesn't need to be in large font size
  • I don't think there should be images in the President column; leave that for the Presidents list and focus on the chancellors here
  • Same for the presidential term of office - it misleadingly has the same formatting as the chancellors' lifespan!
  • Dollfuss is inconsistently spelled with an ß
  • Where are your references?!?! Even if it the list is covered by the Bundeskanzleramt you need to source the history and succession and the rest of the lead and maybe give a duplicate for the details – that link doesn't give the exact dates of the terms or years of elections so where is this coming from???
  • Definitely not magnificent yet... Reywas92Talk 20:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done, expect for:
  • I don't think there should be images in the President column; leave that for the Presidents list and focus on the chancellors here – removed the President's term of office but kept the image, because it would otherwise be too plain.
  • and maybe give a duplicate for the details – that link doesn't give the exact dates of the terms or years of elections so where is this coming from??? – I don't know what you mean by that. Colonestarrice (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • You need to cite everything...which citation says Christian Kern took office on 17 May 2016? That Sinowatz was chancellor 24 May 1983 to 16 June 1986? [2] only gives the years so you need to cite something else beyond that. There are no citations AT ALL here for the chancellors before 1945, nor for the acting chancellors!
  • I'd also suggest a different image for the lead...that one just duplicates four that are already in the table. Reywas92Talk 23:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Added the refs but kept the pics – they have an informative caption. Colonestarrice (talk) 12:54, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on the lead. At six paragraphs it is far far too long, and out of the whole thing only three sentences are sourced. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:38, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The lead in its current state gives a quick and summarized overview on relevant statistics, the history of the office, the officeholders and the cabinets. All of its unsourced statements are based on sourced main articles, I therefore think that oversourcing the lead in this case is superfluous. In addition, it has pretty much the same length as the prominent List of Presidents of the United States. Colonestarrice (talk) 22:26, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"All of its unsourced statements are based on sourced main articles" - that's not how it works. Everything needs to be sourced in this article. Until that is addressed, my oppose stands -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:25, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Colonestarrice (talk) 14:52, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nice one. Some further points:
    • In the image caption, you can't say "from left to right" when two of the pictures are above the other two.
    • "which besides them also" => "which also"
    • "After Allies declined" => "After the Allies declined"
    • "uphold the dictatorship" => "upheld the dictatorship"
    • " who held the office for two days up until" => " who held the office for two days until "
    • "completely lost every autonomy" => "completely lost autonomy"
    • "Following parties never had a chancellorship" => "The following parties...."
    • In that sentence, why are all the numbers written as digits but then the last one is randomly written as a word?
    • "as far as the President did not already replace the Chancellor" => "if the President has not already replaced the Chancellor"
    • "only for twenty days however" => "but only for twenty days"
    • "25 men have served" - can't start a sentence with a digit
    • "Bruno Kreisky was with 4778 days the longest serving Chancellor" => "Bruno Kreisky was the longest serving Chancellor with 4778 days in office"
    • Same point re Seyss-Inquart
    • Source for the cabinet composition column?
    • Source for the appointer column?
    • Renner's 1945 row is missing the last cell
    • Image in the last cell of the row below is a red link??
    • Image on Faymann's row is a red link??
    • "The oldest living Chancellor is" => "The oldest living former Chancellor is" (he isn't Chancellor now)
    • "The youngest living Chancellor is" - well obviously, because he's the only living Chancellor. I presume what you mean is "the youngest living current or former Chancellor"
    • "who died 26 July 2001" => "who died on 26 July 2001"
    • "Franz Vranitzky, the oldest living Chancellor, would surpass" => "Franz Vranitzky, the oldest living former Chancellor, will surpass"
    • "who died 25 July 1934" => "who died on 25 July 1934"
    • Dollfuss's name is sometimes spelt with ss and sometimes with ß
    • Same with Seyss-Inquart
    • Why are the columns right aligned? This is not standard formatting.
    • ....except that some of the cells are left aligned? Be consistent.
    • What makes scrapbookpages.com and eclecticatbest.com reliable sources? I'd imagine for such major historical events there are much better sources available..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:24, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done, expect for:
  • "Source for the appointer column?" – the appointer is the President, the two exceptions—the State Council and the Soviet Union—are sourced.
  • "What makes scrapbookpages.com and eclecticatbest.com reliable sources? I'd imagine for such major historical events there are much better sources available" – I have no idea if they're reliable but "scrapbookpages.com" is the only website that covers the Allies declining a union between Austria and Germany, and "eclecticatbest.com" is the only website that fully covers Dollfuss's assassination. Colonestarrice (talk) 23:06, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, but I find it very hard to believe that such major events in the country's history are literally only covered on the whole of the internet by what looks like some random person's personal website. This page from the official site of the Encyclopedia Britannica looks like it could be used to source the sentence currently sourced to scrapbookpages, for example (the union of Austria with Germany was expressly forbidden)..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:00, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if you realised but we're talking about Austria, you will find more about Liechtenstein or Monaco than about Austria. I chose "scrapbookpages.com" because it had a lot information on the Allies declining the union – but yes I agree with you it indeed looks like some random person's personal website. Anyways, its how you want so:
 Done Colonestarrice (talk) 09:51, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I can still see "eclecticatbest" being used as a source, which is some random person's blog. There must be a reliable source which can support the sentence about the assassination of Dolfuss...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from BeatlesLedTV
  • Tables need scope rows and scope cols per MOS:ACCESS (see also MOS:DTAB)
  • Numbers between 0 and 9 need to be spelled out (see MOS:NUMS)
  • Keep date formats consistent. Some are YYYY-MM-DD while others are Day Month Year.
  • The entire statistics section is unsourced
  • Entire 4th paragraph is currently unsourced
  • All images need alt text
  • There are some blue links
  • Cabinet composition for Schober and Faymann are disambiguation links
  • Feel like it'd be better to just have the Coat of Arms be the lead image
  • Why are some election boxes blank? Have an en dash (–) there if there's going to be nothing
  • Like Chris said, everything needs to be sourced.

Sadly still not magnificent yet. Getting there, but not yet. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 23:09, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Colonestarrice these comments have been here three weeks, are you going to address them or should I archive the nomination? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:44, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Yes, please do so. I sadly don't have the time and motivation anymore to fulfill them, and someone found it extra funny to start an edit war on the article, so it's over anyways. Colonestarrice (talk) 19:27, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to hear that. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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