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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 17:16:00 11 April 2019 (UTC) [1].

List of Cardiff City F.C. players (25–99 appearances) edit

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Nominator(s): Kosack (talk) 10:21, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Taking a quick break from international player lists, I am nominating this for featured list because I have been milling around it for some time and have finally got round to updating, improving and preparing this for FLC. I've modelled it on the 100+ appearances list, incorporating the overall design, and believe it meets the FL criteria. Look forward to any comments. Kosack (talk) 10:21, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • There's a bit of the age-old "the club is singular/the club is plural" confusion going on i.e. "The club was founded [...] In 1907, they [...] They were [...] As of the end of the 2017–18 season, the club has...."
  • "As of the end of the 2017–18 season, the club has won 3 division titles" => "As of the end of the 2017–18 season, the club has won three division titles"
  • "Stan Richards set a club record for the most league goals in a single season in 1946–47" - how many goals? Seems a bit odd to say he set a goalscoring record but not say how many he scored!
  • "the age of 16 years and 123 days old." - "the age of 16 years and 123 days."
  • Paul McLoughlin's row in the table has a stray extra cell.
  • Think that's it from me..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the review, I think I've fixed all of the issues you raised above. Let me know if there's anything else. Kosack (talk) 06:53, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Cardiff were elected into the Football League in 1920, where the side remains to this day, moving into its new stadium, Ninian Park" - here you have the club treated as both plural and singular in the very same sentence. Also, I would move the last clause (if indeed we even need it all) as it sounds like the club moved into Ninian in the present day. Also, "where the side remains to this day", isn't actually true, as they aren't in the EFL currently.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:43, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Trimmed. Kosack (talk) 09:26, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I further tweaked it myself and am now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:53, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "...moving into its new stadium Ninian Park." Place a comma after "stadium."
  • Link "transfer" to Transfer (association football) in fourth paragraph.
  • Lead image caption: Add "transfer fee" between "club" and "records" (linked per above) so the reader knows what kind of records were set; otherwise its a bit ambiguous.
  • The alt text for the lead image has "Jersey" capitalized; change to lower case
  • Key: "The list is ordered by alphabetical order of surname." How about: "The list is arranged in alphabetical order by surname." to avoid using "order" twice?
  • Key: "Thus the change in the names..." Add a comma after "Thus"
  • Per MOS:DATETOPRES, date ranges should not end in a dash without an end date. For the positions key and active players, make it "–present" or (for the key) "–pres."
  • Caption: "Aaron Ramsey spent two spell with the club and remains the youngest ever player in the club's history." Make it "spells" (plural) and "youngest-ever" or simply "youngest".
  • Use title case. rather than sentence case, on references 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 13 to match the others.
  • Reference 24 ("Tony Capaldi stats") is dead. It looks like the URL has changed.
  • Everything else looks good. NatureBoyMD (talk) 14:42, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@NatureBoyMD: Thanks very much for the review, I've fixed all of the issues you raised above bar one. The WP:DATESTOPRES issue is an interesting one, there are 28 lists such as this at FL status and all of them use the same "2018–" format as this one. I would say, if this is to be implemented, it should be done across the board in a wider discussion rather than this one being the only one and being out of sync with the rest. What's your thoughts? Kosack (talk) 20:06, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I searched through several FLC nominations for similar player lists which were promoted, and not one of them mentioned this issue. I'd say that adhering to the MOS is more important than conformity with similar articles. What's more, I'd say that no one is really going to notice that difference from article to article. (Nor do they seem to notice the need to cap that range with an end date.) Maybe someone else reading this has an opinion? NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:36, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On a wider scale, the open date ranges are also the norm in footballers' infoboxes and are used like this on a massive scale. As well as conformity, the amount of previous FLCs that have passed this style would suggest a consensus that the layout is acceptable. Kosack (talk) 21:05, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 20:40, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Could link the "founded" bit to History of Cardiff City F.C. (1899–1962). - Done
  • English football league system also has an article!- Done
  • "the Football League Cup in 2012 " that 2012 is a bit Easter eggy for me.- Done
  • "The club's first team have competed in numerous competitions" this seems self-evident from the previous para...- Removed
  • I have to say I'm not entirely keen on the several "self references" (i.e. "this list")... is there a more elegant way we can refer to those in this bracket of apps? - Done
  • Penultimate para, you probably still need to emphasise that these are records for players between 25 and 99 apps (apart from those which aren't!), i.e. "notable players include " should probably be "notable players with between 25 and 99 appearances for the club include "- Done
  • "Eleven players listed here are still with the club..." needs an WP:ASOF.- Done
  • A few unlinked players, non-notable?
The unlinked players are from the club's spell in the Southern Football League which does not automatically meet WP:NFOOTY. The ones who have articles having played in The Football League before or after are linked, the others who seemingly did not are the missing ones. Kosack (talk) 05:57, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Victor Camarasa " is missing his diacritics. - Done
  • Some piped redirects, e.g. ones which disambiguate with (footballer, born X), need commas, Neil Cox (for instance) redirects back to itself.... - Done
  • Never keen on the † being used for something other than death-related, but that's personal preference... could use asterisk or hat or ... - Done
  • What is the purpose of the third general ref (i.e "Soccerbase.com")? - Removed

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:43, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Thanka very much for the comments, I think I've fixed all of the above issues. Kosack (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 17:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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