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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 13:45, 26 February 2010 [1].

List of Bristol Rovers F.C. players edit

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Nominator(s): — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 15:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the FL criteria, and it has already undergone a peer review to address any major problems. There is a small number of red links in the list at the moment, but as this is a list of sportsmen who have made over 100 professional appearances they are by definition notable, and I am in the process of creating articles for them all. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 15:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Hat notes: I'd do them manually so you can avoid showing the colon in the category and the hash for the section.
Fixed — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "playing in Football League One" I prefer the more active "who play in ..."
Done — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Eastville Rovers[1] and moving to a site known as Three Acres in 1884." the name is reffed but the move isn't?
This is covered by ref [2] at the end of the next sentence. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in 1897.[2] Two years later, in 1899, " not sure you need both "two years later" and "in 1899" because most readers can take 1897 and add 2 without get confused!
Done — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consider linking £ for our non-Brit readers.
Done — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In the football club's early history" no need for football here.
Done — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • " no buy/no sell " I imagine these need hyphens.
Done — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same for "most used"
Done — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Minor point but I think you can remove Bristol from "Bristol Rovers career"
Done — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just four images? By my reckoning, the page could support another six without running off the end...?
This is an issue that came up at peer review, I haven't found many free images that I can use here. I'll try and pick out a few more if I can find any though. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I found File:Holloway.jpg by chance, perhaps not entirely "footballing" imagery but still pretty relevant... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added that one, and I managed to find a picture of Gary Mabbutt on Flickr with a free licence, which I've also put on. I'll continue searching for more. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 22:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. It can take a month of Sundays to find something useable on Flickr but keep up the great work! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've managed to find a few more pictured to add, hopefully this should be enough now. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 11:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Staxringold
*Comments
  • I'm fine with the redlinks, I've been doing the same with MLB draft pick lists (and those aren't even guys who yet pass WP:ATH like these fellas do, just recent picks who are likely to very soon).
  • Table section header should probably just be "Players". Any inclusion limitations should be in the text, as List of Major League Baseball players with a career .400 on-base percentage does with plate appearances.
Ok, I've changed that. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 08:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speaking of which, any particular reason for the 100 game limitation beyond simplicity? I don't mind, and it makes sense given the long history of the team, but it'd be nice to know.
It's because a full list of all players would be far too long, and the more significant players in the history of the club would get lost in amongst all the people who have only played one or two games. I am working on two other lists to go alongside this one which list players with 25–99 appearances, and fewer than 25 games played. Again, the reason for this split is for length and readability. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 08:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you use {{ref label}} and {{note label}} instead of endnotes? That would let you bounce back up to the point in the table you were at once you've read the note.
Done — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 22:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does Byrne and Jay cite positions along with the stats for the players it covers?
Well done, I didn't notice this before. It does give their positions, but not in the pages I've given in the reference. The list of names, dates, places of birth, appearances and goals is given in a table at the end of the book, which is what I've referenced, but the positions are given in the actual text elsewhere in the book, so I'll need to go through and sort this out when I get home this evening. The same goes for national team appearances, which are given in another table. I'll work on getting the ref label and note label templates to work properly then as well. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 08:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Notes now added for international appearances and playing positions. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 22:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think most of the text above the table can be de-italicized except the "Statistics current as of..." bit. The rest is actual information. Can also combine the second sentence into the first to just say "Includes...... and substitute appearances." (emphasis mine)
Done. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 08:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Position text could probably be a touch bigger.
Done. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 08:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Am I correct that "capped at full international level" means, for example, that Junior Agogo also played for the Ghana national team? Staxringold talkcontribs 22:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's right. I've wikilinked the term capped so that people unfamiliar with the term can look it up, and 'full international level' is specified to make it clear that this doesn't include age-group level, such as under-21 or under-18. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 08:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much for your comments, I hope I've answered all your queries satisfactorily. I'll sort out the problem with the referencing this evening, as indicated above. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 08:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully that should be ok now... — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 22:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – List itself looks good, but I am concerned about the Ben Appleby and Dick Pudan images. What proof do we have that they were published before 1923, not just created? They would have to have been published before that date for the given U.S. public domain licensing to be valid. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest it hadn't even occurred to me that the creation date and the publication date might be different, so thanks for pointing that out. The picture of Dick Pudan was cropped from the 1905 official team photo, so was definitely published the same year. I can't find any information on the original source of the Ben Appleby picture however, so although I'm sure it would have been published before 1923 I've got no evidence to back that up and I'll go ahead and remove it. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 20:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The section Players displays fine in Internet Explorer but in Firefox the images appear first and then the list table. Can this be fixed? Alt text is good. Jezhotwells (talk) 06:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not having that problem, I assume it must be something to do with the screen resolution - i.e. the table and photos are too wide to fit side by side. Is there any way that the photos can be made smaller if the resolution is lower, so that they fit across the screen? — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 09:51, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly to do with resolution, I have a relatively small monitor by 2010 standards (15") and I only get the table and photos side by side when I zoom out to a distance that makes reading the text difficult, and editing Wikipedia impossible. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:39, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure there's anything that can be done about it in that case, other than moving the pictures to a gallery at the bottom of the page, but that would just re-introduce the whitespace that they were put there to fill in the first place. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 09:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is the minimum that would be required to make it display well at 800x600. But at high resolutions it looks pretty bad. I think the current tradeoff is reasonable. WFCforLife (talk) 14:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per the peer review. WFCforLife (talk) 14:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Nice work. --Carioca (talk) 21:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Now that the photo issues I mentioned above have been taken care of, everything looks good to go. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - can't see any issues, per my understanding of copyright the image you removed would have been OK, but it's no big deal, especially now you've found a bunch of others to put in -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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