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List of Black Mirror episodes

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Nominator(s): — Bilorv (talk) 17:25, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As my 25,000th edit exactly, I'm nominating List of Black Mirror episodes for featured list status. It was hard to find recent (post-2010) list of episode articles to model this on, and some facets of the topic make it quite unique (e.g. every episode is standalone and the show has had two different distributors). However, after some expansion and multiple rounds of copyediting, I'm now satisfied it meets the FL criteria. I'm looking forward to the feedback. If promoted, this will bring us one step closer to Black Mirror as a good topic. — Bilorv (talk) 17:25, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "a special "White Christmas"" - "a special entitled "White Christmas"" would be better IMO
  • "He lives frugally until affording" => "He lives frugally until he can afford"
  • "after their daughter died without the option to" => "after their daughter died without the option to do so" (I was always told not to end a sentence with a preposition)
  • That's all I got as far as the end of series 3, will look at the rest later.......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:59, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Brilliant, done the ones so far. — Bilorv (talk) 15:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Further comments
  • "can track Sara's vision, hearing and health via a tablet" - might be worth changing to "tablet computer" or similar, just to make it 100% clear that it doesn't refer to an aspirin :-)
  • "and chases Bella via car" - slightly unclear as to whether it is Bella or the guard (or both) who is in a car
    • It is in fact both. I've changed this whole bit to give more detail of the scenes, as I think I was trying to summarise it in too few words. Let me know if the new version can be improved. — Bilorv (talk) 20:50, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's it - great work overall! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:02, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, changes made for these. — Bilorv (talk) 20:50, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "British network" perhaps "television" in there.
  • "episodes, not including the interactive" perhaps it would be clearer to say "episodes and one interactive", since that interactive film is listed here in this list of episodes...
  • "Actors rarely appear in more than one episode" I think what's also interesting and probably more relevant than the actors is the easter eggs that are found in the later episodes that refer back to other (unrelated) episodes.
    • The point of this is to distinguish it from other anthology series that readers might be familiar with, such as American Horror Story (same characters throughout a season, heavy cast overlap between seasons), The Twilight Zone (common narrator, some actors star more than once) and Inside No. 9 (almost all episodes star the two creators). For the Easter eggs: added though many instalments make small references known as "Easter eggs" to previous episodes, such as through in-universe news channels and briefly-seen text — Bilorv (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in December 2014.[6] In 2015" bit repetitive, could say "The following year"?
  • interactive film has a link.
  • "with unhappy endings" often with...
  • I'm not an expert, but... I have mild trouble with the colours selected to delineate each season. They are understated and fit the tone of BM, for sure, but I am struggling to see the clear difference between, say, 1 & 3, and Film & 5.
    • I'm no fan either, but convention is to have them match the DVD release cover art, as I found when changing it once and getting reverted. — Bilorv (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Callow have sex" this jars for some reason, why isn't it "has"?
  • Is it worth noting that the events of episode 1 were an entry for the Turner Art Prize (in-episode)?
    • I think you've misremembered slightly—Bloom doesn't win the Turner Prize for this (he won it before the episode begins), but one art critic says it's the best artwork of the 21st century. — Bilorv (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in screens and he watches a screen" watches "one" or "one of them"
    • I've put "watches another one" to not imply he's cycling in his bedroom. — Bilorv (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Special table format is a bit out-of-whack.
  • "a murder-suicide." our article uses an en-dash.
  • "She causes a scene" could we make this more encyc.?
    • Now "She argues with a staff member". — Bilorv (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • No viewership for Series 3 etc?
    • As above—none exist for Netflix episodes (as described in "Ratings"). — Bilorv (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "However, we see from" we see... not great.
  • "an augmented reality" this was already ilnked.
  • "called "ADIs". " could this be expanded?
  • "of NCA agent " don't use the abbreviation without explanation.
  • "researches a car accident" worth somehow encapsulating the fact that this was a completely independent event from the main cyclist killing?
    • Yeah, I've just said "researches an unrelated car accident". I did consider this confusion, actually, but forgot to do anything to fix it. — Bilorv (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Coach will eventually assign them lifelong partners, with a 99.8% success rate." why is this the second sentence? Chronologically this doesn't arrive until the end of the episode, right?
    • Well, there's two unrelated instances of the 99.8% statistic. The artificial participants in the system in-app are told at the start that there is a 99.8% success rate of Coach, and Frank and Amy talk to Coach about it early on (hence why it's mentioned early). Later, it turns out that 99.8% of the 1000 simulations rebelled and the real Frank and Amy are told they are 99.8% compatible. These two identical stats are actually unrelated, and we're only mentioning the first. — Bilorv (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "but say that there" agree?
  • "an artificial intelligence toy" you linked and abbreviated artificial intelligence above, perhaps just use AI here.
  • Row scopes for the home media release table.
  • Refs 36 to 41 spaced hyphens in titles should be en-dashes.

That's about all I have here. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great, all responded to and/or fixed. — Bilorv (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, couple of responses. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, fixed. Thanks for the comments. — Bilorv (talk) 15:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments
  • Putting Bandersnatch's release date in parentheses feels awkward; I think it should be incorporated into the sentence like the other release dates.
  • The cast lists use the Oxford comma inconsistently; either use it or omit it everywhere.
  • "perform a 're-do'" – this feels like unnecessary information and could be removed.
  • Mike Schur is usually credited as Michael Schur, so I would use that.
  • "in a foreign country, with the help of MASS" – unnecessary comma
  • "killed by ADI" → "killed by ADIs"
  • Black Mirror under General references doesn't need to be in quotes.
    • This is how {{cite web}} works, but I can rewrite it without the template if you feel strongly about this done. — Bilorv (talk) 12:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All done except one I've replied to—thanks! — Bilorv (talk) 12:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support – well done! RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass

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Doing now. Aza24 (talk) 01:06, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Version reviewed: [2]
Formatting
  • I know his name is in the title but ref 1 should probably still include the author's name in the appropriate parameters. There's no implication that Charlie Brooker is the author, he could merely hold an opinion that someone else is reporting on
    • Yep, was more oversight than intentional—fixed. — Bilorv (talk) 12:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is weird how the Metacritic refs don't have quotes around the titles, but I we can't do anything about that because its from the template?
    • Well, I think we'd only want quotes around the Rotten Tomatoes "White Christmas", right? Black Mirror is right to be in italics and "Season X" doesn't normally have quotes. But I think the template is missing a quotes option and I can't work out how I'd change its source code if I wanted to, so if you're fine with it then I might stick to how it is. — Bilorv (talk) 12:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, too minor to fuss over. What I meant was that all titles for your references have quotes around them (e.g. "Black Mirror: Season 3". for ref 22) but Metacritic is just Black Mirror: Season 3 without quotes—no worries though.
  • Honestly, I'm not sure the general references section is even needed. The Netflix link doesn't seem to be used as a ref and is already an external link; the Brooker/Jones/Arnopp ref is only used once. If the case is that these are used more than what I'm observing, it needs to be marked such throughout the text
    • These are used to cite the "Written by", "Directed by" and "Cast" section of each episode. Do you want inline citations at the top of the series columns under those headers, and next to the cast list for each episode? Or maybe some text down in the reference section to say "Cast and crew information comes from:"? — Bilorv (talk) 12:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ah I see; yes inline citations (maybe in the table header(s)?) would be helpful to increase verifiability. Something as simple as "Writer details are given by Brooker, Jones & Arnopp (2018)", or something similar? Aza24 (talk) 01:02, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • How does it look now? — Bilorv (talk) 18:20, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Great. Sorry if I was being picky, we just don't want to take any risks on showing people where we're getting certain information. Aza24 (talk) 23:47, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • Not at all—I appreciate the comments. — Bilorv (talk) 08:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reliability
  • Looks fine
Verifiability
  • Not required since you have the chapter, but the page numbers for the chapter could be added if available (ref 8)
  • I do wonder where the individual casts are sourced from Aza24 (talk) 01:31, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added the page numbers. Cast point addressed with the general references comment. Thanks for the review and let me know what you think. — Bilorv (talk) 12:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pass for source review Aza24 (talk) 23:47, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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