Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Bermuda hurricanes/archive1

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List of Bermuda hurricanes edit

Nominator(s): – Juliancolton | ^Talk 19:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I spent quite a bit of time building this list up from scratch over the past few months, and I believe it now meets the FL criteria. The list roughly follows the model of existing regional hurricane FLs (such as List of Texas hurricanes (1980–present) and List of Delaware hurricanes), and covers an important aspect of Bermuda's history. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 19:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This looks good, although I wonder if it would be possible to add more images to the list as large bits of this feel barren. I also have done a minor date correction to a caption, so just make sure that things match up on the dates. I would also suggest fixing the one link to Hurricane Humberto, and adding alternate text to the existing images. There are also five dead links to fix, although four of them went dead eight days ago so I can't fault you on that. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:29, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look. The file caption actually was correct to start with (the image even has the date on it). As for more images, I'm afraid that anything useful has already been included. High-quality satellite images are pretty hard to come by for storms before, say, 1990, and free-use damage photos are always a scarce commodity. I have found some useful illustrations that could be strong candidates for fair use, but I'd rather avoid that. I suppose I could add more track maps to spruce up the place, but I don't think they add an enormous amount of encyclopedic value. Three of the five deadlinks fixed... I'll need some time to sort out the others. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 22:58, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments and image review from Cyclonebiskit

Comments – Disclaimer that I helped out in a relatively minor capacity in getting this behemoth of a list together. My contributions account for less than 10% of the article's total byte size, with the majority stemming from the creation of the landfall table and the 1813 storm.
- Images should have alt text (your favorite, I know )
- Regarding a dead link which a substantial portion of this article is based upon, an earlier version (.doc file) of this document does exist but it lacks all the necessary details. I can vouch that all information cited with this presently unavailable source is accurate. For citation purposes, I've changed the ref to a general citation until (hopefully) an online document is restored.
- Strictly speaking, only nine landfalls have occurred during years included in the official Atlantic hurricane database. – Might be worth specifying that the database begins in 1851, either by way of a note or prose.
- The most recent storm to affect the islands was Hurricane Joaquin in October 2015. – If you want to keep Joaquin, this sentence should specify its the most recent tropical cyclone...otherwise Alex should be here per its inclusion on the list.
- Regarding the October 1926 hurricane, the reanalysis writeup indicates that the 128 mph measurement in Hamilton was a 5-minute sustained wind; however, it had a known high bias and was at an elevated location. A surface corrected value of 102 mph (1-minute sustained) is provided in the writeup. Additionally, the ...strongest recorded storm to strike the territory. bit is outdated as the accompanying source was written before the reanalysis was publicized; the 1899 and 1926 hurricanes are tied as the strongest landfalling storms, both at 105 kt.
- In response to the hurricane's destruction, the name Fabian is retired and replaced with Fred for 2009. – A reference is needed here

Image review – All images are good to use, details below
- File:Bermuda hurricane landfalls map.png, – Created by yours truly, public domain work with base map from NASA's Blue Marble
- File:Floating Dock BERMUDA Tafel3.jpg – Copyright expired decades ago, public domain work now
- File:1915 Atlantic hurricane 3 track.png – Created by yours truly, public domain work with base map from NASA's Blue Marble
- File:The Loss of the Valerian.JPG – Created by Aodhdubh and licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0
- File:Hurricane Dog (1948) analysis 13 Sep.png – Public domain work by NOAA
- File:Inga 1969 track.png, – Created by yours truly, public domain work with base map from NASA's Blue Marble
- File:Hurricane Grace (1991).JPG – Public domain work by NOAA/NASA GOES 7 satellite
- File:Pre Karen ET storm.jpg – Public domain work by NOAA/NASA GOES 8 satellite
- File:BDA Fabian damage3.jpg – Taken by JGHowes and licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0
- File:Large waves in Bermuda from Hurricane Igor.jpg – Hosted on Flickr by Lee & Chantelle McArthur under CC BY-SA 2.0
- File:Fay storm damage Bermuda.jpg – Hosted on Flickr by Chad Sellers under CC BY-SA 2.0

Overall an exceptional and comprehensive list that is well-deserving of featured status. Proud of ya for sticking through this beast and seeing it through to the end, JC! I'll be more than happy to support once the few comments I have are addressed. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:22, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyclonebiskit: thanks for taking a look! Good catch with the 1926 reanalysis data. I think I've fixed the above problems. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 22:47, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My concerns have been addressed and I'm happy to support (pending any further comments from Giants2008 below). ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 23:44, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Quick question - on my screen, "Recorded tropical cyclone landfalls in Bermuda" appears below the column for "Number of recorded storms affecting Bermuda", but it should be above the right column. Is that just on my computer, and if not, is it an easy fix? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:24, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It looks fine on my screen (PC/Firefox) but I know the wikimarkup that I stole from other lists can be buggy. I'd appreciate any help from someone who knows more than I do about table formatting. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:26, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm getting the same issue as Hurricanehink and wouldn't know whether it is an easy fix. Do any of the other hurricane editors have any ideas? Giants2008 (Talk) 03:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Titoxd: – Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:16, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see the same issue on my browser (Safari 9.0.3), and it is caused by the use of {{div col}} to create auto-balanced CSS columns. However, we are using two different tables of different height, which cannot really be balanced automatically by browsers without splitting the long table into two segments—which is what we're seeing some browsers attempt to do here. Sadly, there is no easy fix here. We would need something like {{no col break}} that implements the CSS break-before or break-after properties. However, browser support for that property is spotty at best. An alternative would be to wrap the second table (the recorded landfalls table) into a single-use template, then wrap its transclusion with {{no col break}} to signal to browsers that this particular table should not be broken up. (I tried wrapping the wiki-table in {{no col break}}, but wikitable syntax is not really compatible with the template syntax.) Titoxd^(?!?) 20:18, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've switched it to using {{Multicol}} which also manual breaks to be inserted. Harrias ^talk 13:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking care of that! – Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:13, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 01:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

I really wish the opening didn't remind me of the old "This is a list of" beginnings. Can we make it a little more interesting?
While doing this, you might want to prevent Bermuda from both ending the first sentence and starting the second, therefore appearing back-to-back. A fix to the first comment should help address this naturally.

I've only read through the 1910s so far, but it's been a great read so far. I'll continue as time permits. Giants2008 (Talk) 03:23, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good points - is that better? Thanks for reading through the article, and I look forward to any more suggestions for improvements. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1930s: "The slow-moving storm delayed the arrival of ships into port." If you want to maintain a current tense throughout, then "delayed" should probably be "delays" instead.

You missed this one, unless you intended to have this wording. Giants2008 (Talk) 03:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, whoops... I fixed the wrong one last time. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:16, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

July 4, 1973: Add "a" before "few trees and powerlines"?
The hyphens in the titles of refs 3, 8, 110, 116, and 119 should be en dashes instead.
Ref 49 needs a publisher (The Royal Gazette).
If ref 87 from The Royal Gazette has a date listed, it would be helpful to include it. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done – Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:26, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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