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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was withdrawn by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 19:43:59 20 April 2019 (UTC) [1].

List of Bandai Namco video game franchises edit

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Nominator(s): Namcokid47 (talk) 23:39, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because the article has both passed its peer review, and is what I believe to be stable, informal and properly sourced from reliable areas. Namcokid47 (talk) 23:39, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from CelestialWeevil (talk) 16:34, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • In the lead, shouldn't "with both company's assets" be "with both companies' assets"?
  • I think Pac-Man and Tekken and other properties should be wikilinked in their first instances in the lead
  • "the third largest video game company in Japan, the seventh largest" I think it should be "third-largest" and "seventh-largest"
  • "Bandai Namco currently owns former developer Banpresto, who currently maintains as a toy company in Japan and was purchased in 2008" I'm not sure what "maintains as a toy company" means
  • "and Sailor Moon - in this instance" the hyphen should probably be changed to an em dash (—) or a semicolon.
  • "For a list of video games developed by Namco prior to the merge, see List of Namco games. For a list of games developed after the merge of Namco and Bandai, see List of Bandai Namco games." These could be moved to the top with a 'further' template, like scene here

CelestialWeevil (talk) 00:33, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate it. Fixed those issues you mentioned, per this revision. Thanks! Namcokid47 (talk) 01:52, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! I noticed another thing: Some of the entries link to a franchse (like Tekken), and others link to a specific game (like Dark Souls when the link might be better going to Souls). What do you think about this? CelestialWeevil (talk) 01:56, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Dark Souls was directed to the game "Dark Souls" (as opposed to Souls (series)) to avoid confusion with Soulcalibur, which some also refer to as the "Souls" series. If there's consensus to change this then I'll gladly do so. Namcokid47 (talk) 02:04, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you mean. I suspect an okay middleground would be using the Souls (series) link but making it appear as Dark Souls to both give the most precise wikilink while not being ambiguous. But I'll leave it up to more experienced editors than myself! CelestialWeevil (talk) 02:24, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from BeatlesLedTV

Great job on this! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 18:05, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Let me know if you need any help on this, or just copy List of Square Enix video game franchises. Also, since there's so many items in the platform column's cells, I don't think it should be sortable- because you can't actually group most of the consoles together when they're not single-platform releases. --PresN 15:56, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • A lot of these "sources" are just links to official websites. I don't see this ever becoming a FL in this state. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Why would the website not be a reliable source? Can you please elaborate on that?Namcokid47 (talk) 02:27, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please elaborate on this? Namcokid47 (talk) 23:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would really like to have you elaborate why the franchise's official website would not be a reliable source for these entries, because simply saying "these sources are official websites, this will never be a featured list" is not even remotely helpful when I'm trying to fix issues that other users have brought up. For a final time - can you elaborate on this? Thank you. Namcokid47 (talk) 14:21, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from NatureBoyMD
  • "Bandai Namco Holdings" doesn't need to be in boldface per MOS:BOLDAVOID.
  • "and is currently based in Minato-ku..." (See: MOS:RELTIME)
  • "The company was formed following the merge..." Change "merge" to "merger".
  • "formally called Namco Bandai Games..." If you mean it used to be called this, it should be "formerly".
  • "with over $12.8 billion as of 2016..." Is this U.S. dollars? If so, make it "US$12.8 billion" per WP:$
  • "Currently, the company is the third-largest video game company in Japan, the seventh-largest in the world, and the largest toy company by revenue as of 2017." If this is all as of 2017, make it "As of 2017, the company is the third-largest video game company in Japan, the seventh-largest in the world, and the largest toy company by revenue." (See: MOS:RELTIME)
  • Second paragraph: strike all three "currently"s (See: MOS:RELTIME)
  • "Bandai Namco currently owns former developer Banpresto, who currently operates as a toy company..." Change "who" to "which".
  • References (as mentioned by previous reviewer): Sources on Wikipedia should be from reliable third-party sources. While it is reasonable that a developer or game franchise's website is accurate, it doesn't meet the third-party standard. See if you can find sources from reliable games news websites (IGN?), a reliable database of games, or print sources.

NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:14, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed all of the issues you brought up. I'll start looking for references now. Thanks! Namcokid47 (talk) 15:41, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Namcokid47: If you're still working on this, in addition to the source of the references, the formatting needs work. Examples:
ref 1) "Corporate History". BANDAI NAMCO Entertainment JP. Retrieved 1 December 2018. - ALLCAPS on the name, should be linked to the company's article, should be the name they use in branding (Bandai Namco Entertainment), BNE is the publisher, not the work (which is typically the field for magazine/news websites)
ref 2) "World of Warcraft Leads Industry With Nearly $10 Billion In Revenue". Game Revolution. Retrieved 1 December 2018. - the article is by Jonathan Leack, date is January 26, 2017, both should be present
ref 8) "BANDAI NAMCO Entertainment America – More fun for everyone!". www.bandainamcoent.com. - ALLCAPS, again BNE is the publisher not the work, and the website url is neither, you should use the actual site name at minimum if not the company name.
That last one is the one that caught my eye, because you do it a lot- ugsf-series.com should be just Bandai Namco as the publisher, www.grouvee.com should be Grouvee, etc. This is not a full source review, but all of that will come up in one. --PresN 04:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Namcokid47: are you still involved in this nomination? --PresN 16:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I've left Wikipedia quite some time ago to focus on other projects, although I could have made this more obvious on my user page. I guess I could try improving this page to fix the issues you brought up before I throw in the towel, but it will take some time. Namcokid47 (talk) 21:48, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Namcokid47 you seem to be editing from time to time, are you going to address this FLC or should we archive it? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:34, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there. I've actually decided to come back to Wikipedia for several reasons, and I'm in the middle of getting the City Connection page to good article status. Once I finish work today I'll finish up the rest of the sources on the Bandai Namco franchises page. Namcokid47 (talk) 13:31, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Namcokid47 hey, did you plan on returning here? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:09, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've added more sources yesterday and I plan on finishing the rest this afternoon. Namcokid47 (talk) 00:20, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Links in the article have been fixed and/or replaced. Namcokid47 (talk) 04:19, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at just the first five online references in the table, and none of them verify the information presented (especially platforms and release dates). Some the articles were about other games with only passing mentions of the games being referenced. I encountered the same with a few other randomly checked sources, too. I'm afraid this list currently fails Wikipedia:Verifiability. NatureBoyMD (talk) 13:37, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fantastic. I better fix all of it then. Namcokid47 (talk) 17:29, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Namcokid47 how is this going? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:33, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I gave up on this thing. Archive it, if you will. Namcokid47 (talk) 19:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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