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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 20 January 2020 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Austria international footballers edit

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Nominator(s): Kosack (talk) 16:50, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I currently have one FLC active however, it currently has three supports and no outstanding comments so I believe it's OK to move ahead nominate a new page. This is another international player list, this time a slightly longer one given the history of the nation. I believe it meets the standards of the previous lists and is ready for FLC. I look forward to any comments. Kosack (talk) 16:50, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "The team is governed [....] and compete" - singular/plural disagreement
  • "Austria have played 777 international matches since its debut" - and again
  • "including three hat-tricks and six braces" - "brace" is not wikilinked, and I suspect many people would not know what it means
  • "his final international goal but, Horvath went on to score two more goals" - I think the comma should be before "but", not after
  • "If the number of caps are equal" - the subject of the sentence is "number", which is a singular noun, so plural verb is inappropriate
  • Note a (at least on my screen) has a line break in it. Can't see any need for this.
  • Think that's it from me..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:05, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the review Chris, I've amended all of the issues above I believe. Although, I can't see a line break on either my mobile or laptop? Do you know what's causing it? Kosack (talk) 06:40, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've fixed the issue with the note. I would still like to see "brace" (in paragraph 2) either wikilinked to somewhere or else clarified in prose, as I don't think every reader will necessarily know what it means..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:50, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Woops, thought I'd added that in for some reason. Linked it now. Cheers. Kosack (talk) 18:53, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Of these Austria have won 40..." Add a comma after "these".
  • The key table needs col and row scopes.
  • Is the "Notes" column necessary when there are no notes for any player?
  • Apply title case to the titles in references 3 and 18 to match the others.
  • All else looks fine. NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:00, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@NatureBoyMD: Thanks very much for the review, I've addressed all of the issues above. I've added some notes about dual-representation to make the notes column worthwhile as well. Let me know if there is anything else. Kosack (talk) 07:10, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 17:53, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • List: The heading of the section is self-explanatory, as it is obviously a list. Something like Players or Footballers would be better. - Done
  • What makes eu-football.info (ref 20) a reliable source? Giants2008 (Talk) 23:19, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Although I'm unsure of the actual publisher of the site, it is widely used across football articles and is included in WP:FOOTBALL's list of recommended links. The site also lists a substantial sourcing section including archives of the periodicals used. Kosack (talk) 06:29, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not sure about this site, as not knowing who publishes it doesn't fill me with confidence. I'll leave it unstruck for others to consider. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:05, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kosack:, I am happy to help find an alternative source, if I can be of any use. What is the eu-football link sourcing that the other two refs at the top of the table aren't? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:33, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Chris, it's not actually supporting anything on its own. The rsssf list covers the table while Soccerway updates more regularly than rsssf does so to cover more recent fixtures. The eu-football was really just adding further backbone so it's not the end of the world if it needs to come out. Kosack (talk) 13:03, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kosack: Since this is the oldest current FLC, the site still doesn't strike me as overly reliable, and it really isn't needed for anything, would you be amenable to removing it? I'd like to conclude this review ASAP, as this has been at FLC since August and the source looks like the last outstanding issue. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:20, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008: Sure, I've removed the source. Kosack (talk) 21:33, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Comments by Teratix edit

  • of all-time this phrase is superfluous everywhere it appears. Also, why is it hyphenated when it's not used as an adjective? - Removed
  • Austria has played 777 international matches since its debut. The use of "since" implies this tally does not include the team's debut match, when in fact it does. Reword to "Austria has played a total of 777 international matches" or similar. Also, the tally has changed over the course of this nomination so you may wish to update it.
  • Reworded, I'm preparing to update the list over the coming weeks along with the other promoted ones. Kosack (talk) 09:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • forced to wait nearly two years What does "forced" mean here? Was someone or something actively preventing Blum from participating in internationals? If not, reword. - Reworded
  • unbroken consecutive spell "unbroken" is a synonym for consecutive, use only one or the other. - Removed
  • most goals scored in a single match by one player in the nation's history -> "most goals scored in a single match by an Austrian player". - Reworded
  • In the table: "National team career" -> "National career". - Done
  • Instead of a separate notes column, put the three footnotes next to the players' appearance tallies.
  • Unless there's a policy based reason, I'd rather keep this if possible to remain inline with previous list promotions. Kosack (talk) 09:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Surely there's space for a few more images beside the list? - Added
  • No authors for refs 1 or 13. - Added

Might add some more comments later, this is just from a brief examination. – Teratix ₵ 06:49, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look, I've addressed all of the comments above. Let me know if there is anything else. Kosack (talk) 09:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by MPJ-DK

First of, I am part of the 2020 WikiCup and will be getting points for this as long as it is a comprehensive review. I also have my own FL candidate I just posted yesterday and as such is helping pay back for the input of other FLC reviwers. Looking at the age of the nomination I sympathize as I've had several die on the vine over the years. Let's hope this doesn't happen here.

Players
  • composed of FIFA World Cup and UEFA European Championship and - to me there seems to be a word missing or something? is it FIFA World Cup and UEFA European Championship matches?
  • Should have been plural for Championships, amended. Kosack (talk) 09:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Key
  • The link for the first entry goes to ""Austria national football team#Current squad", but the note mentions "eligable to be called up" - that seems to be two different criteria?
  • The link is for being active, which links to the national side. The note is not really a criteria it just describes that, due to the fact that the majority of international players will never officially announce their retirement, any active player is still considered active unless sourcing can be provided to show he is retired. Kosack (talk) 09:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
List
  • Since the first column does not sort there is no way to "reset" the list except to refresh the article. Is there a specific reason why the first column isn't sortable?
  • The table is ordered by number of caps, so the position and caps column are listing the same value. Therefore it makes it rather unnecessary for them both to sort. Kosack (talk) 09:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • All sources cited for the table were checked in August 2019. So in other words the table is sourced up until August 2019 - Has the Austrian national team not played any matches since? and the article does not mention this date? shouldn't it?
  • The table has been updated now. Kosack (talk) 09:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notes - is it really that important that 3 of the 128 players also played for a different country? Enough to give it its own column?
  • Well it's rather unusual and is simply to denote the shared allegiance. As I mentioned to the user above, the column is not there just because of that, it is a design that has gone across several FL listed international player lists which I would rather keep to maintain consistency in these lists. Kosack (talk) 09:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Images
  • File:FC Salzburg gegen Real Sociedad San Sebastian (22. Februar 2018, EL Sechzehntelfinale) 05.jpg - listed as own work, Google image search only gets wiki-like results. Appropriate for the article
  • File:Polster Toni-7361-fmp (18560369719).jpg - Flickr free to use, appropriate for the article
  • File:Gerhard Hanappi 1953.jpg - donated by the Dutch National Arhives, appropriate for the article
  • File:20180610 FIFA Friendly Match Austria vs. Brazil Marko Arnautović 850 1633.jpg - Copyright notices from the Wikimedia Austria, appropriate for the article
  • File:Sterspeler Hans Krankl, Bestanddeelnr 931-7809.jpg - donated by the Dutch National Arhives, appropriate for the article
Sources
  • The Rec.Sport.Soccer - 17 out of 23 sources are from this source. - on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Links list, I'll take that in good faith since the project has determined this to be reliable
  • Soccerway - on the WP:Football list, as above I am AGF that this is reliable
  • eu-football.info - on the WP:Football list, as above I am AGF that this is reliable
  • 11v11.com - this is not on the WP:Football list as far as I can tell, what makes it reliable?
  • National Football Teams - on the WP:Football list, as above I am AGF that this is reliable

I will come back and look at the prose as soon as possible, but I wanted to give my input for this right away. MPJ-DK (talk) 02:44, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, I've addressed all of the comments above. Kosack (talk) 09:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked through your replies, I'm good with the changes or explanations.
  • Additional comments
"A friendly" - is that the common term? and is it a bit WP:JARGONy?
  • The term is definitely a common term, uncompetitive international matches are always referred to as friendlies. Kosack (talk) 19:34, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
...an unbroken spell of fixtures between November 1948 and May 1956 - if that means consecutive then why not simply write that? I had to read it three times to get it (granted I am slow ;) ) - Reworded
Statistics updated following match played on 19 November 2019. - but the accessdate for the sources state "25 August 2019", if the table was udated based on the data in the sources I believe the "Accessdate" should be updated to make sure it's clear. - Updated
  • That is really it, and on the face of it these are just minor concerns. MPJ-DK (talk) 16:58, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support, all my concerns hav3 been adddressed. Good luck, hope this gets the proper attention to pass. MPJ-DK (talk) 21:08, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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