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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 03:58, 20 October 2008 [1].

List of American Idol finalists

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I feel that this list meets the Featured list criteria. It is fully sourced and has gone through three copy-edits. Of course things may have been missed, so any concerns will be addressed.

This FLC is a part of the Featured list contest. iMatthew (talk) 20:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved concerns from SrX
Comments
  • During every season of American Idol, the final round of competition features twelve singers.1 The American talent reality television series first aired in 2002, and as of December 2008, there have been seven seasons. - to follow the flow of other FL leads, it would be better to state these 2 sentences in a different way such as American Idol is an American talent reality television series that first aired in 2002, and as of December 2008, there have been seven seasons. During each season, the final round of competition features twelve singers, the finalists. Also, why is it December 2008?
  • Overall, Carrie Underwood, season four winner, holds the record for the biggest-selling American Idol album, as more than six million copies were sold in the United States.[1] - this sentence just stands out, you say overall like if you already stated other album sales.
  • Runner up should have a dash.
  • In the pre FLC review you told me that the notes couldn't go vice versa, if you use {{ref}} and {{note}} it is possible, just saying.

--SRX 20:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All are done. iMatthew (talk) 20:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suppport - With all of SRX's comments addressed, I see no reason why this shouldn't be a Featured list. Sunderland06 (talk) 01:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment
    • You should wikilink all the hometowns to their original articles.

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't they already? iMatthew (talk) 11:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just click on them, I'll see that they are redirects. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 18:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. iMatthew (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
  • A total of 106 contestants have made it to the top twelve (or ten) of their seasons. "Made it" → "reached".
  • In the second season, finalist Corey Clark was disqualified after it was revealed that he had been arrested during the competition after he was charged with resisting arrest, battery upon his sister, and criminal restraint. Avoid using "after" twice in that sentence.
  • Smithson remained on the show, and was placed sixth in her season. Remove "was".

–Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Mr.crabby
  • Comments
  • Maybe you should clarify what state Camile Velasco lives in.
  • Brooklyn, NY Any reason this is abbreviated, but no other states are?
  • Albemarie, North Carolina, as a native North Carolianian, I can confirm that it is actually spelled Albemarle, North Carolina
  • Why aren't town such as Albemarle, North Carolina; East Amherst, New York; Haiku, Maui; and Town & Country, Missouri linked?

--Mr.crabby (Talk) 18:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - my issues have been resolved and article now seems to meat FL criteria. --Mr.crabby (Talk) 19:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Oppose reluctantly for now Comments

    Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 18:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I removed the empty External links section; however, on second thought, I think you should re-add it, with a link to the season's webpage; if there isn't one dedicated to the season, then link to American Idol's website.
    • "series first aired in 2002" – "series that first aired in 2002" – otherwise, the tense just jumps from present to past
    • "2002, and as" – "2002. As"
    • Sort the names by last name first; use {{sortname}}
    • "the final round of competition featured twelve singers" – "the final round of competition features twelve singers" – since the show is still running
    • "top twelve (or ten) of" – should be explained that some seasons have had top tens before this is mentioned
      • See the first footnote in the sentence before that.
        • Should be in the prose though; it can't be assumed that the reader will click on the footnote. At the worse case, it could be in brackets. Gary King (talk) 17:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Finalists for the show have never been younger than 16 years of age, or older than 29 years of age." – isn't this because they have rules that don't allow people outside of those ages to enter the competition? Should be mentioned
    • There's a few more of these types of problems throughout the article. Ping me when they're done. Cheers!

    Gary King (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • "Finalists for the show have never been younger than 16 years of age, or older than 29 years of age, as that is the show's age requirements." – rewrite as something like "16 to 29 is the show's age requirements"; that's the only point it needs to get across. People will infer from that that finalists can't be outside of those ages."biggest-selling " – "higehst-selling "; biggest and best aren't really comparable adjectives
    • "as more " – "with more "
    • "During season five, voters claimed that phone calls dialed for Chris Daughtry during the first few minutes of voting were misrouted to Katharine McPhee's lines, when they heard her recorded message thanking them for voting for McPhee." – why's this first in the paragraph if it's season five info?

    Gary King (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Done with everything. iMatthew (talk) 18:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Oppose

    • Can you help me with your statement in lead which says: " The album sold 378 copies, and is now available on iTunes.[4]"? Your ref [4] seems to say " " the CD sold fewer than 400 copies in its first three months of release" which isn't quite what your statement says, nor does it mention iTunes...
    • Why isn't MCA records linked?
    • " the top twelve (or ten) of their seasons" - why not just "the final of their seasons" - or better? right now it reads awkwardly.
    • "ages of 16 and 29 years of age" - age x 2
    • "he had been arrested during the competition after he was charged" this sentence reads clumsily.
    • "The age with the most contestants is 24, including no winners, and one runner-up." - this is awful - a trivial statement and "including no winners" - poor.
    • Consistent linking of seasons in captions should be considered.
    • "Contestant's age at the time the season was filmed" - was the season filmed on one day? Are you sure none of the 106 had a birthday during the season? Just need to be more precise.
    • Just one contestant without an article? Seems a shame...

    The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    I've addressed your concerns. iMatthew (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I got the image concern - and I'll try to get article going tonight, maybe expand it some and grab a DYK?;) Is that all? iMatthew (talk) 19:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


    Support my concerns addressed. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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