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The list was promoted 14:39, 10 March 2008.

List of 30 Rock awards and nominations

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I am self-nominating this list regarding 30 Rock's awards and nominations because it is a fairly comprehensive article and it is, as far as I have found from my many searchs, up to date. I have tried to style the list similarly to List of awards won by The Simpsons, a featured list. I have cited references from reliable sources to all awards and statements. -- Jamie jca (talk) 00:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Get rid of the unnecessary non-free image (Tina receiving the award). There isn't critical commentary on that particular image (i.e. nothing special about her receiving the award). You already have two free images, one of her. The image doesn't add anything to the page, or the section. We don't need to see Tina, or anyone, receiving an award because its' obvious what that entails.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The nominees column in the top infobox should be the same colour that is used for the rest of the nominees. It also wouldn't hurt to list the total number of wins and nominees in the infobox as well. -- Scorpion0422 00:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved stuff from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • Numbers below 10 are usually written out.
    • The lead is a little weak - choppy prose.
      •  Doing... Any suggestions on how to make the lead stronger? -- Jamie jca (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Consider linking out to Emmy in the lead.
    • [1][2] in the lead could easily be moved to a more appropriate lcoation just after the full stop in that sentence.
    • "in its still young two year run" - I don't really like this phrase, plus this is the sort of sentence that will need to be updated every time a new nomination is received.
      •  Not done. I've removed the "young two year run part" but isn't it easy enough to edit it when new nominations are recieved? I can remove it if it has to be. -- Jamie jca (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Definitely not keen on the small fonts.
    • Linking the individual years in the table, is there a better link (e.g. in Television??)
    • "to the Globes " familiar tone - not particularly encyclopaedic.
    • Image captions are too wordy.
  • That's it for now.. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further comments
    • Since when did "aswell" become a single word?!
    • Link the first instance of Emmy (and write it out in full), not the second.
    • "portrayal of, NBC television executive, Jack Donaghy." - why the commas?
    • "30 Rock has been nominated for four, and won two, Golden Globes Awards, so far, in its run." - how, many, commas?
    • Lead has "10" but "thirty-eight" - I'd do it the other way around.
    • Tables seem a little untidy - the columns are really unbalanced.
    • No need for the sucbox.
    • Two red links in the references, can you fix them or unlink them or write stubs?
  • The Rambling Man (talk) 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further comment - Re: tidy tables, I just think you could force the widths on a lot of the tables so the columns appear the same. It's a shame you have one "nominees" with dozens of names and all the rest with just one, it unbalances things quite a bit. It's an aesthetic issue, nothing I could object on, but I'd like to see if you could do anything with it before I support. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Doing... - Jamie jca (talk) 19:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      •  Doing... I was just thinking, I know you probably won't go for it but if I take the long nominees lists, could I relocate the names to the opening of each section and typing see above in the nominees cell? I really don't know how to tackle the problem of the multiple nominees without having massivly wide or high cells. -- Jamie jca (talk) 19:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        •  Done I've made all the tables with Year/Category/Nominee(s)/Result sections all consistent. As I have with the tables with Year/Category/Nominee(s)/Episode/Result sections. Is it okay? Also, sorry about the time it took. -- Jamie jca (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment That image of Alec Baldwin doesn't appear to be free-use. The Flickr page credits www.drudgereport.com/ as the source, so unless the photographer for that site and the Flickr user are the same person, then it isn't free-use and should be removed. Aside from that, it looks good. Gran2 15:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done I'll remove it but if I don't get notified that it's breaking any rules after a few weeks, i'll put it back. -- Jamie jca (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Further (further) comment! - I don't think four short paragraphs for the lead is particularly good, merge down to no more than three. You've wikilinked 30 Rock at least twice in the lead as well, no need to overlink. Also, not keen on the last table which combines episode awards and actor awards, the blank cells aren't particularly elegant. But nearly there! The Rambling Man (talk) 10:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Resolved stuff from Crzycheetah

    Comment

      1. Why are the citations in the Category column and not in the results column? I see that the Simpsons list does this, as well. I just want to know why, because I believe results are the ones that should be cited.
      2. If possible, could you use primary sources? For instance, official sites of the awards rather than IMDB or TVSquad.
      --Crzycheetah 03:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      •  Done But, some older awards (WGA Awards '07, People's Choice, DGA for example) have removed noms from their sites. Also, some references are from Variety, The Hollywood Reporter and ET, aren't they reliable enough sources that official award sites aren't needed? -- Jamie jca (talk) 19:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yes, Variety, ET, and THR are reliable. IMDB and TVSquad are the ones I feel low about. I think this link may sbstitute imdb for the 2007 Directors Guild of America Awards while Variety's link may substitute TVsquad for the same section. I'd like you to doublecheck those links before substituting.--Crzycheetah 20:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Actually, I found noms for the WGAs and DGAs in the press release sections (although you can't link directly to pages on the DGA website), so you can use those. -- Scorpion0422 22:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            •  Done Found them on DGA and WGA, West site. -- Jamie jca (talk) 23:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'll field the first one. The colours for the columns vary from computer to computer - some see them brighter, some see them darker - and originally I tried the citations in coloured column. However, not only did it look bad, but on my computer the citations were hard to see, so I figured it would be best to move them to one of the normal columns. I tried citations in the various different columns and personally I thought having them in the category one worked best. -- Scorpion0422 15:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • In this case, I'd support a new column for refs because having the refs in the "category" column may confuse some readers(I was confused there for a moment).--Crzycheetah 20:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • I've never liked having an extra column for refs, unless there's no other room in the other columns and it's absolutely necessary and in this case I don't think it is. -- Scorpion0422 22:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • I don't find it necessary either, that's why I didn't include one. Also, it would take away more space and it will clutter up the tables with multiple nominees. -- Jamie jca (talk) 23:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The sources are better now, and the placement of the refs is a personal preference, I suppose.--Crzycheetah 23:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support Looks good. A few things:
      • "During the following year, 2008, Tina Fey won a Golden Globe for her role of Liz Lemon" - you don't really win an award during a year.
      • What's the protocol you're using in linking & re-linking names? Tina Fey et al. aren't linked under Golden Globes, assumably because they're linked above, but then she and Alec Baldwin are re-linked under Emmys - maybe sweep through the list and make the linking/re-linking business consistent.
      • "In 2007, it won two awards including the much sought after Outstanding Comedy Series award" - I'd usually consider 'much sought after' incorrect grammar but that could be my Australian/British English kicking in.
      • "portrayal of, recurring character, Colleen Donaghy, in the season one finale" - wow, commas are in excess. I think you can legitimately get rid of all of those commas.
      • Any reason we have DGA Awards, Golden Globe Awards, NAACP Image Awards, Emmy Awards, Satellite Awards, SAG Awards, but TCA Award and WGA Award - the latter two not in plural form?
    • Hope that helps :) •97198 talk 13:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support Good page, well referenced, it would be nice to have a free image relating to awards, but the current one is good enough. -- Scorpion0422 01:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support - I made two small wording changes to the lead. Overall, this is an excellent, well-referenced list. Good work. Cheers, Rai-me 13:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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