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Laureus World Sports Award for Comeback of the Year edit

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Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 06:51, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Next up from the Laureus World Sports Awards stable, the comeback award. Very similar in nature to those that have already passed or are already enjoying considerable support. As ever, my thanks to anyone who has the time and interest to contribute, review etc, and I will endeavour to get to any and all comments as soon as I am able. Yes, I know I have two other noms open, one has two supports, one has three, so it's all ok! The Rambling Man (talk) 06:51, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • You mention in the lead that Armstrong and Phelps came back from cancer and retirement – are the reasons for nomination publicized? Since this award doesn't recognize a particular event or performance, I'm quite curious to what constitutes a comeback for other winners.
    There's no official citation available that I can see, only the generic "awarded for" statement that's covered in the infobox. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:32, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • There should not be a key above the tables when only Armstrong has an asterisk (and is explained in the lead). It would be simpler to just have "Lance Armstrong (rescinded)" in the table. The stats key is written unnecessarily generically when it only refers to one person with one win/one nom.
    I don't think that's a problem. It's consistent with the other articles and there could be more in the future. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:32, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    It shouldn't say "individuals" unless it refers to multiple individuals. Whether there is an award or awards is known, so don't say award(s). It seems excessive on the other pages that use it, also only referring to one person. The changeability is the beauty of Wikipedia if there are more. Reywas92Talk 21:34, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    It's generic across all these lists. And beyond, to say, the ESPY lists, some of which have multiple abusers listed. It would be nice to present this sor of thing in a common fashion to our readers, not to stick to anal rules of grammar. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:39, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Whatever, it's not fucking anal to have basic singular-plural correspondence. Not sure which of the ESPY lists has something like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reywas92 (talk • contribs)
    Ok, and with that, I won't be responding to your comments any further. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:05, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • For some reason Ronaldo sorts first alphabetically. Reywas92Talk 08:25, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed.
Thanks Reywas92 for your comments, all responded to above. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:32, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oscars is not a euphemism, it is a widely known and accepted name; see http://www.oscars.org/, http://oscar.go.com/. None of your three sources use it that way because it's unnecessary and they do not aid comprehension – nor do euphemisms generally require quotation marks anyway. Reywas92Talk 21:34, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is, and it's a quote from multiple sources, so it's staying as it is, I don't see any harm at all in it. And seven editors already agreed with it. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Um, what? You're not presenting it as a quote at all, you just justified it as being used as a euphemism! You'd have to say It has been called the "Oscars of Sports" or something beyond a single word like this that's trying to imply to the word by itself requires them. And just because those people didn't call it out doesn't make it accurate. You correctly didn't use them in the first sentence of that nom! Oppose. Reywas92Talk 21:56, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Your oppose is noted, but I will not be taking any action on your comments, espeically as they are subjective and particularly as you have resorted to "fucking". Goodbye. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:06, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And thank YOU for calling me anal. Is that not our job here? The thing is, even if you're calling it a quotation, you are misquoting them, as the award is more specifically being called "Oscars of Sport" or "Sporting Oscars". It is objectively incorrect the way it currently is. Reywas92Talk 22:16, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from BeatlesLedTV

  • Ref(s) → Refs; each year has two refs so (s) is unneeded
  • I'm a fan of have the year and ref columns centered but I know to you it's no big deal so if you don't want to don't worry about it.

That's all I got. Great job! Can't wait for the rest of the awards. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 17:36, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks. I'm going to leave the refs as they are, if someone else wants to add all the additional coding to centrally align the whole table then left-align the columns which shouldn't be centrally aligned, more power to them. Cheers for your comments! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:52, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I can center them for you. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 20:41, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
BeatlesLedTV thanks for you constructive and helpful input, and especially for the edits! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:17, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Ianblair23 (talk) 10:00, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
:Hi TRM, please find my comments below:
  • Lead
  • The inaugural winner of the award was American cyclist Lance Armstrong change to American road cyclist Lance Armstrong
  • As of 2017 add Template:As of and add a comma
  • Tennis players dominate the winners list, with six awards, while athletes and rugby union players have won twice link tennis, athletics and rugby union
  • is American swimmer Michael Phelps link swimming (sport)
  • Table
  • References
Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:24, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
All done Ian. Thanks, as ever. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:16, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley edit

  • Again very little to quibble about.
  • I would make the same comment about "affecting" as in the lifetime list.
  • I would prefer the star for a rescinded award to have been an efn note, but this is a matter of personal preference. Dudley Miles (talk) 11:06, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Dudley Miles Ok, made the "affecting" change, but left the rescinded award star as is, it's quite commonplace for athlete's whose performances are later determined to be invalid to have a star next to them (e.g. this report about Barry Bonds), so I think this is a decent way of doing it. Thanks for the review. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:27, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A first rate list. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by JennyOz

Hi TRM, I am nearly finished this list but this needs quick fix first

  • Fabienne St Louis - is Mauritian not Mauritanian

more to come, regards JennyOz (talk) 12:43, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

golf - wlink could be to Professional golfer
It could be this is about the sport, not the status of an individual. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Maarten van der Weijden - his comeback mostly seems 10km marathon eg Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's marathon 10 kilometre, so pipe swimming to Open water swimming?
Seems reasonable. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Germany Men's Olympic Eights Team - better link Rowing at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's eight?
Now then we're straying into the territory that Ian discussed above. But changed in this instance. And the instance in the lead for consistency. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oracle Team - pipe sailing to Yacht racing?
Ok. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fabienne St Louis - Mauritian not Mauritanian
    Pesky ISO. Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Statistics key
"Indicates total(s) exclude those of individuals whose award(s) and/or nomination(s) were later rescinded"
hmm thought this was changed on Sportswoman list..., but not. It is really hard to parse.
simplify to - "Indicates totals which exclude rescissions."?
Ok. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Winners by nationality
Winners column - all good
Nominations - Spain - only 2?
Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mauritania to Mauritius needs change here too
Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Winners by sport
Winners column - all good
Nominations - athletics - 18 / golf - 16 / swimming - 5/ boxing - 1?
Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Why do Laureus use Great Britain for someone like Wilkinson when his achievements were in playing for club and England?)

(Dunno, just sticking with the sources...) The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • ref 9 - John Wilcockson, Richard Williams (journalist), Pierre Ballester, David Millar - author links
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • ref 10 - Rory Carroll - author link
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's me done. Good job! JennyOz (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks as always JennyOz, I've addressed everything I think. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Another fine list. Thanks! Happy to sign support. JennyOz (talk) 05:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support I'm struggling to find anything that needs fixing on this list, any issues would seem to have been dealt with in previous reviews. No issues with layout, grammar or accessibility. Happy to support. Kosack (talk) 09:12, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008, PresN, any chance of a source review on this one? Five supports and one oppose thusfar, probably judgement time. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008, PresN, this appears to have stalled on the five supports and one oppose right now, any chance of moving it on? Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:06, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PresN did you miss this? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did, promoting. --PresN 17:44, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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