Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lana Turner performances and awards/archive1

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Lana Turner performances and awards edit

Featured list candidates/Lana Turner performances and awards/archive1

Nominator(s): Drown Soda (talk) 01:20, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is properly sourced, covers the subject's entire filmography, and has appropriate images. Drown Soda (talk) 01:20, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47 edit

For this part (and appeared in several films for the studio before signing a contract with Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer), I would us the exact number rather than "several".
I do not think the wikilink for "comedy film" is necessary.
For this part (by casting her in several youth-oriented comedies and musicals), I would also wikilink "musicals" to "musical film" since "comedies" is wikilinked.
For this part (including Dancing Co-Ed (1939), Ziegfeld Girl (1941),), I would replace the first comma with "and".
I would add ALT text to the image in the lead.
I would wikilink "film noir" since "comedies" was wikilinked the previous paragraph so it would be consistent to wikilink all genres.
The lead should have references. Since there are several parts that require citations like Lana's discovery at age 16. Additionally, claims like (Turner's role as a femme fatale in the film noir The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946) advanced her career significantly and established her as a dramatic actress.) needs a reference. I would add sources for every sentence in the lead. See a similar list, List of Emily Blunt performances, which includes these references.
For this part (before being cast in a recurring guest role on the television series Falcon Crest between 1982 to 1983), I would clarify that Falcon Crest was a soap opera.
I have never seen a box office parameter in a filmography list so I would remove it.
Since the tables are sortable, everything should be wikilinked (lik Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Warner Bros.).
Since there is an entire section devoted to Lana's radio work, then it should be mentioned in the lead.

I hope this helps. Have a great start to your weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 19:45, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for addressing everything. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 15:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

In the whole lead, only one sentence is sourced - pretty much everything else needs sourcing
"including Dancing Co-Ed (1939), Ziegfeld Girl (1941)" - if there's only two examples listed, then they should be separated by "and", not a comma
Personally I would combine the "By decade" film tables into one
Think that's it from me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:54, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude and Aoba47: Hello all, I've addressed these concerns above--for some reason it never occurred to me that leads for list articles needed citations, as the contents of the article don't adequately source the summary of the lead. Long story short, I've added appropriate sources for all of the sentences in the lead, aside from the film count in the opening sentence, which is self-evident (and sourced throughout). --Drown Soda (talk) 01:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:50, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Lirim.Z

I don't see any major issue, but the Awards and nominations table should follow guidelines; scopes shouldn't be used to highlight anything, a scope is the first column of table
The NYT is linked once in the Refs but the Chicago Tribune, The Province, The Pantagraph are not. If one work/publisher is linked in the red, all should to be linked.--Lirim | Talk 01:35, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comment – The Finler book isn't being used for any cites as far as I can tell, so that should probably be taken out of the source list. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Good for me – zmbro _(talk) 02:35, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments and source review by Cowlibob

Firstly well done on a great list on a screen legend!

"Discovered in 1937 at age 16, she signed a contract with Warner Bros. and appeared in several films for the studio before signing a contract with Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer" This sentence doesn't seem to match the film table where she seemly stars in one film for Warner Bros before starring in one by MGM and UA.
How did Ziegfeld Girl establish her as a leading performer? Was it commercially successful or was her performance praised?
How did The Postman Always Rings Twice establish her as a dramatic actress, was her performance praised?
"At the time, her films with the studio had collectively earned over $50 million[12] (equivalent to $460,771,114 in 2018)." Using inflation adjustment for box office figures can be problematic. Is there a way her box office performance could be measured against her peers?
I think commercial success sounds better than box-office hit.
"Turner's final starring role was in 1966's Madame X," What do you mean by starring role as she seems to still have 5 more film credits after this film?
" In 1982, she was cast in a recurring guest role on the television soap opera Falcon Crest, in which she appeared in several episodes." The bit after crest seems redundant as she had a recurring role then it is implied that starred in several episodes.
In the table heading Role --> Role(s)
I'd probably remove that second photo from The Postman Always Rings Twice as there's already a much better one in the lead.
For the unrealized projects, are her roles in the first three films in the table unknown?
Television and the radio roles don't sort properly. The sorting is also not present in the rest of the radio table.
There is no sorting in the theater table currently and also I'd probably rename this section to stage
In terms of source review, AGF on the offline sources, I do not have access to them.
Ref 7, please specify the time that her credit is mentioned. Also ref 51 is the same as ref 7, they should be combined.
Ref 10 just verifies that she starred in the film with Gable not that it was their last work together.
Ref 37 verifies that she was due to star in the film but not that it was never made.
Ref 38 verifies that she was due to star with Gable but not that it was eventually made with Russell and retitled.
Ref 41 doesn't verify that she was due to star with Louis Jordan or that it was never made
Ref 48 doesn't verify that she was co-starring with Barrymore.
Ref 66 needs a page number

Cowlibob (talk) 17:06, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Drown Soda: Courtesy ping to inform of review above. Cowlibob (talk) 11:08, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: I've tried to address your concerns above, though there are a couple I am not entirely clear on: The main being your comment about the roles not sorting properly in the "Radio" and "Theater" sections. When I attempt to sort them with the table's sort function, they do so alphabetically the same as the "Film" section does. I have added sources for clarification on most of your points, although I am struggling to find a reference demonstrating that Our Dancing Daughters was not remade—I'm currently unable to find one, but there is no known record of the film existing—only a news report that Turner was set to star in it. I was able to find mention of Louis Jordan and The Streets of Montmartre project that fell through, which is mentioned in the Morella and Epstein source. Per ref. 48 concerning Barrymore, the book source by Pitts (which is in the ref. column as is) does confirm she co-starred on the program with Barrymore, so I've removed the redundant newspaper source which did not. Let me know if there are other outstanding issues I've missed. I think as of now, the only stickler is the aforementioned elusive reference to prove that Our Dancing Daughters was not remade. --Drown Soda (talk) 07:42, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Drown Soda: Source review passed and support I think that should be ok, if there is no reference to it than we can presume it was not remade. I've added sorting to all tables. For future reference, character names in tables should be sorted by their surnames and titles with "the" should sort by the word after "the". I've copyedited the lead and added a note to specify that she played a character known by different names in Slightly Dangerous. I've removed the extra photograph as I discussed above. Cowlibob (talk) 13:25, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:03, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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