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Kumi Koda discography edit

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Nominator(s): Prosperosity (talk) 01:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list so that I can develop a consistent discography style for Japanese music pages. Since I began editing the page in December 2013 it has been very stable (well, as stable as a currently releasing musician's discography can be), and I believe it satisfies the criteria! Prosperosity (talk) 01:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Prosperosity has used the Oricon database and other reliable and relevant charts extensively to reference the sales figures, rankings, and certifications to vastly improve the article. I have worked on editing this list article, and can attest to its stability in comparison to many of the other J-pop discographies. -AngusWOOF (talk) 06:04, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:49, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "and 139 music videos" mentioned in the lead but not used in the article at all.
Done, removed text.
  • Cover albums noted in the lead and the article, but not in the infobox.
Done, changed heading to "Tribute and cover albums" as noted in infobox.
  • Infobox - "Kumi Koda performing at..." just "Koda performing at..." is fine.
Done.
  • I'm not sure it's a good idea to link the "12 weeks of consecutive singles" to Japanese Wikipedia in the middle of the text, 99% of readers won't learn anything from it. Perhaps an external link instead?
Done, removed link to Japanese Wikipedia (if there's an English language version later on it can be re-added, but I'm not sure if an external link such as this one would add anything more than the current reference does.)
  • Suggest you link "certified" appropriately.
How do you mean? This was the style I found in other featured discographies. I de-linked all except the first in the table.
We have an article Music recording sales certification which may be of use here. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done.
  • "Koda began releasing... ", "Kumi Koda began releasing..." repetitive and inelegant prose, and no need to repeat her first name.
Done.
  • " non-stop dance remix" perhaps a translation thing, but what does "non-stop" mean in this context? A single track?
It means that the songs are spliced together, instead of fading out/stopping, then after a period of silence having the next track begin, like a megamix. I never considered it was a Japan specific term, so I've added an explanation.
  • Which territory is the Release date relevant to? I assume Japan but as each release was made in multiple locations, the date relates to one or more territory, please state which.
Japan (but there's an instance where a DVD release date pertains to Taiwan). I could add (JPN) to every single release date, but as they're consistently all released in Japan first, it feels a little redundant. What do you think would be best?
Perhaps a note to say "All release dates relate to Japan unless specified otherwise"...? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done.
  • 91,000 sales isn't certified but 92,000 is Gold? Just checking...
It was certified based on copies shipped, so apparently the record company went a bit nuts and ordered too many copies. It happens every so often, there's an instance where a record company thought a single would sell more than 500,000 copies (Utada's Be My Last), where in actuality it only sold 150k.
  • You've linked CD but not DVD or Blu-ray.
Done.
  • Where are items that haven't charted or been certified referenced, such as ""Amai Wana" (甘い罠?, "Sweet Trap"" and many, many of the promotional singles?
Done. Added sources for some, removed the ones without explicitly sourcable data.
  • Don't think you need wikilinks in table captions.
Done.
  • Or full stops.
Done.
  • In the refs, the RIAJ is in italics but it's a publisher so it shouldn't be.
Done.
  • Ref 6 has a spare full stop.
Done.
  • Check all Japanese language sources are marked as such (e.g. Japanese Amazon links).
Done.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:51, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How is that? Have I missed anything you're concerned with? --Prosperosity (talk) 07:12, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just one final issue, this is Kumi Koda's discog, yet many of her albums are called Koda Kumi.... should I be concerned about this? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's the WP:MOS-JA convention to have people born after the start of the Meiji era as [first name][last name], but also to leave any titles of works with other orders as-is, since they're the titles of works. There have been two move attempts to change the order to Koda Kumi according to the talk page, but as there are English sources that call her Kumi Koda I doubt if it'll move any time soon. --Prosperosity (talk) 15:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, cool. Thanks for helping the uneducated! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all the help! --Prosperosity (talk) 15:47, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a good list and a pleasure to work with an editor who wants the best out if. Well done. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:49, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very well written and presented. All my support for feature content. Daan0001 (talk) 22:32, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Ryoga (talk)
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The list is laid out neatly, and everything is sourced. These are just a few things which caught my attention:

  • Since the Japan Hot 100 was first published in 2008, I think a small note or something notifying the users about it will be a nice addition to the article.
It's already there! Note [G], "The Japan Hot 100 was established in February 2008," when the chart is first mentioned. Would you prefer if it was more prominent? I know that you can do that at the bottom of charts as well, but I haven't seen that done a lot on modern discographies (usually there's just the note explaining what the — means). --Prosperosity (talk) 13:28, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry! I didn't notice that! I don't have any issues if it's left as a footnote.
  • Don't you think RIAJ is overlinked in the references?
Yeah, it's really over-done since she has so many in a row. I'm not sure if there's a wiki style guide that says which way it should be, I was under the impression it should be left linked, as you can also highlight the reference and it'll display right there, instead of having to go down all the way to the reference section. It does look a little silly, so if you feel strongly about I'm happy to get rid of them. --Prosperosity (talk) 13:28, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I see. It's okay then.
  • "Between December 2005 and February 2006, Koda released 12 weeks of consecutive singles, which resulted in her first number one singles in Japan, "You" and "Feel." " → the period should be placed outside the quotes. Also, I think this sentence could be restructured. 12 weeks of consecutive singles is a bit vague, don't you think. A non-native speaker of English, like myself, would find it hard to understand the meaning (whether she released a single per week for 12 weeks or she released x number of singles in 12 weeks).
Really? The first few style guides on the internet I looked at tell me to put it on the inside, and that's how I was taught to do it in school, but I might be wrong. I'll change it anyway, and I've rewritten that sentence. --Prosperosity (talk) 13:28, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, per MOS:LQ the periods should be placed outside quotes in case of song titles :) Ryoga (talk) 13:54, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I could find. Great work! Ryoga (talk) 11:33, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Great list, everything's sourced and laid out neatly. Ryoga (talk) 04:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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