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Justin Moore discography edit

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Nominator(s): Hog Farm (talk) 04:47, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a disclaimer, my work at this page has been limited to quite recently, although this is because I've only been a user since November. I've been a regular updater at this list since. I believe this list meets, or is very close to meeting, the featured list criteria, and I have compared it formatting wise to other featured lists and the formatting seems consistent with them. Hog Farm (talk) 04:47, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:30, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*Drive-by comment - at just six sentences and less than 800 total characters, the lead needs significant expansion. Take a look at Mac Miller discography, which was promoted last year. Miller has released the same number of albums, yet the lead for his discog is more than three times longer than this one. I think you should be looking to make it closer in length to that. Hope this helps! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:46, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for your initial feedback and the example. I'm going to be busy in real life for the next day or two, but I'll start working on expanding the lead once I get a chance, hopefully soon. Thanks! Hog Farm (talk) 18:45, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional comments
    • Change the credit for "Small Town Throwdown" to "Brantley Gilbert (featuring Thomas Rhett and Justin Moore)" (or whatever the exact credit was), as it looks odd not mentioning Moore given that he is the subject of the article
      • Done
    • Some of the music videos are unsourced
    • All the CMT video links just seem to redirect to https://www.youtube.com/user/cmtvideo/
    • Think that's it -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:50, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • When I attempted to access the CMT links, they were dead for me, so I replaced all of the music video links. All but the Small Town Throwdown links have been replaced with links to Justin Moore's official website. Is this an appropriate use of a primary source, or should I look for independent verification? I'll get the lead expanded later, when I have a little more time. Hog Farm (talk) 22:21, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • No problem with using a primary source per se, the only issue is that it doesn't source any of the directors as far as I can see. Have you tried using the Wayback Machine to retrieve the original CMT pages? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:35, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • I have not. Can you point me to the page giving instructions on how to use the Wayback Machine? Thanks, Hog Farm (talk) 22:22, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
            • WP:WAYBACK. Hope that helps! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:34, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
              • Thanks! That tool's very helpful. After using the Wayback Machine to restore the links, I looked to find citations for the unsourced music videos. I found citations to verify the directors of all videos except for "If Heaven Wasn't So Far Away" and "Bait a Hook." I could source to IMDb, but I don't consider that website to be very reliable. What's a good recommendation on that issue? Hog Farm (talk) 04:04, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
                • If the director genuinely can't be reliably sourced then I personally wouldn't have an issue with is just being shown as "unknown". I am sure I have seen that in other successfully promoted lists..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:21, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Done. Sorry about all the stupid questions. Thanks! 18:51, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
                    • The videos with the unknown directors still need sources to confirm that they exist..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:46, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
                    • Citations inserted Hog Farm (talk) 16:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looking good now! Two remaining comments from me:
    • Guest singles table needs refs for the chart columns, although obviously it's OK to re-use the ones from above
    • You don't need to have both the website and the publisher in the citation if they are essentially the same eg www.cmt.com and CMT. In cases like this, just show the publisher
  • Cheers, ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:24, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually I just noticed one more thing - our article on Moore says (admittedly with no source) "The label then released the digital single "I Could Kick Your Ass"." That single isn't listed here - any particular reason? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:42, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • According to 1, "I Could Kick Your Ass" was released as a digital single, but it doesn't appear to have ever charted and was never released to radio (I recently created a redirect to the applicable album for it). I can easily add it, if its inclusion would be deemed appropriate. Hog Farm (talk)
    • @ChrisTheDude: Justin Moore (album) also does not list "I Could Kick Your Ass" as a single. I know "promotional singles", or singles released early off of an upcoming album for the purposes of promoting the album but not sent to radio generally aren't considered singles (Moore did this with "Jesus and Jack Daniels" on his latest album), but I'm not sure about the ambiguous description as a "digital single". Hog Farm (talk) 03:46, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's so annoying how the lines have become blurred on these things - when I was young it was easy, if it came out on a piece of vinyl 7 inches across then it was a single, and that was that. As you mentioned above, though, AllMusic refer to it as a single and so does this source, so I would add it to make sure all bases are covered -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Added to the table. This single doesn't appear to have charted or been certified by the RIAA, unsurprisingly. Hog Farm (talk) 15:56, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Guerillero | Parlez Moi
Thoughts
  • Is CMT's hoisting of the video with the stated director an RS? I would think their editorial content would, but I am unsure about this
    • I'll look into this.
      • I'd personally say it would work as verification of the existence of the music video and for the director, but not anything else. CMT is a reliable source, and the music video pages are basically just an acknowledgement of "Yes, this exists, this is who made it". If you disagree with this interpretation, I can try to find replacement sources. Hog Farm (talk) 15:12, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • tasteofcountry.com. Taste of Country. looks awkward to me. I would just go with Taste of Country.
    • Same with Sounds Like Nashville and The Boot
    • They all look like RSes to me
      • I've got the formatting done, I'll work on the publication dates over the next couple days. Hog Farm (talk) 18:04, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citations need publication dates where available
    • I believe I've added all of the dates for refs with definite dates, some of the CMT video pages the date on the page seems to refer to the date the video was released, not the date of the webpage.

--Guerillero | Parlez Moi 17:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    • @Guerillero: - I believe I've addressed everything so far. Anything additional, or stuff I didn't quite do right? Hog Farm (talk) 03:52, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe ) 12:33, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Comments - hate to see this stall at this stage, so my opining (and this will be submitted as WikiCup evidence).
  • You use EP in the infobox but haven't explained what that is in the lead.
    • Explained
  • Don't use "hash" (or "pound" I believe Americans say) to mean "number" per MOS:HASH.
    • Fixed
  • Once you fixed that, the S in "#1 Singles" Singles should be lower case.
    • Done
  • " (including one guest appearance and one release from a multi-artist tribute album)." this kind of minutiae is better dealt with in the main body.
    • Removed
  • " in 2008. In 2009," repetitive prose.
  • Rephrased
  • "Moore released his self-titled debut album in 2009" that's the same year as before so you could add "also" here to make sure our readers see that.
    • I've rephrased a lot of the content around that, I'm not sure that's necessary now. If you disagree, I can change it though.
  • "album Outlaws Like Me, " comma after album.
    • Done
  • Link certified appropriately e.g. Music recording certification.
    • Done
  • Really dislike the "Of Moore's singles" start. Why not "Seven of Moore's singles..."?
    • Fixed
  • Billboard's -> Billboard's. Check the coding here to ensure the apostrophe doesn't crash into the italic text.
    • Fixed
  • ""—" denotes releases that did not chart" back in the day I urged people to add "or was not released in that territory" because usually there was no evidence that the items in question had even been released in the places they didn't chart.
    • Added for all but the other charted songs. Since the only two columns for that were US Country and US Country Airplay, it's safe to say the additional disclaimer isn't necessary.
  • "number 8 on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart" chart name is overlinked.
    • Done
  • Other charted songs in the infobox says 2 but there are 3 in that section.
    • Fixed. That section was added by an IP awhile back, and I never checked it for accuracy. Oops.
  • Ref 4, No SHOUTING in the ref title and do you really mean "auspPop"?
    • "auspOp" is apparently correct. Fixed title case.

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @The Rambling Man: - I've replied to all your points. Can you look over it to make sure I got everything fixed as desired? Hog Farm (talk) 21:32, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Cool. One more thing, consistency in the refs. You link Billboard sometimes, you don't link CMT at all, and you link RIAA every time. Pick a strategy and roll it out across all refs. And ensure all have at least a publication and/or an accessdate but be consistent. Compare ref 11 and 12, the former has no accessdate for example. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • - The RIAA linking is from a template, so for consistency, I'll link in all places.
  • @The Rambling Man: - I think I've got all of these, linked Billboard, RIAA, and CMT at all places, and all refs should have either an accessdate or an archive date. Hog Farm (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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