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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 08:16, 25 May 2008 [1].

Highlander: The Series (season 1) edit

Self-nomination. I think this list is a worthy candidate : I modelled it after Lost (season 1) and it is comprehensive, accurate and stable. The only image has a fair use rationale. I would like reviewers to pay special attention to the external links section, where I have included a link to a site offering free access to the episodes. To me it seems that this site is no copyright violation, but I would like to have your opinion on that matter. Another problem is that this site is only available in the United States, so I am not sure if it should be included in the article. I will follow your advice on that matter. (As a side note, it would be great to have a place where average editors like me could check with experienced editors whether the links they have in mind can be included in an article, or whether the websites they use are indeed reliable sources.) I will of course address all concerns. Thank you very much, have a nice day. Rosenknospe (talk) 11:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  • Avoid bold links in the lead per WP:LEAD#Bold title.
  • 18-49 should be 18–49.
  • Link DVD region code in the lead.
  • " Executive producers were..." - forgot the The...
  • "Richie's break-in in MacLeod " - in in a bit odd reading, and clarify which MacLeod in this first synopsis since you've mentioned the original MacLeod in the lead. And since you have the other MacLeod in this synopsis, be clear each time which one you're talking about.
  • "MacLeod fights an angered Kiem Sun and spares him. " - presumably MacLeod has defeated Kiem Sun before he spares him, not just fought him?
  • Link SWAT.
  • "The Scalper" or "the Scalper"?
  • Link modus operandi.
  • "...knowing Kuyler's taste for absinthe, traces him back, then fights him. " - consequences?
  • Relink Hunter in episode 22 - it's a long way from the original link and people need reminding!

That's it from me. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everything  Done. Thank you very much for commenting. I used each MacLeod's first names in the first synopsis. I hope using only "MacLeod" in the following ones isn't too confusing, or maybe I should use "Duncan" everywhere ? Have a nice day. Rosenknospe (talk) 13:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Matthew

Comments

  • The bold lead for season pages usually follows this style: "The first season of Highlander: The Series' blah blah blah
  • Use the full link of broadcast syndication. It's a concept unknown to non-US viewers
  • "Because the show was a co-production" Change the first word, a sentence shouldn't begin with a conjunction
  • What is the reason half the season was filmed in Paris? There are a number of co-produced TV shows that didn't do this, Due South off the top of my head, so what exactly is the reason here?
  • "Three roles had star billing" Three actors had star billing
  • "only got star billing": Got isn't really an encyclopaedic word
  • Why is production date being used, instead of original air date? Hulu.com has the original dates, I'm not sure of anywhere else though.
  • "Richie's break-in in MacLeod and Tessa's antique store": Richie's break-in at..., or Richie's burglary of... Also, which MacLeod?
  • "Tessa is brutally made aware of the Game" how?
  • "After MacLeod saves Tessa from Quince, Connor fights Quince" Surname Quince is used throughout, but MacLeod and Connor is interchangeable, and MacLeod could refer to either character
  • "his forehead showing strange marks" Richie's or his friends? Did these appear before or after his death?
  • "Slade kills MacLeod", "MacLeod revives" So he wasn't killed?
  • "MacLeod is rolled over by a car" Switching of tense, and "rolled over" is an odd term
  • Martin Kemp is a disambig
  • Reference 8 points to Amazon. Per WP:DIRECTORY, a non-sales site should be used, such as TVShowsOnDVD.com
  • Re your Hulu question, up in the lead where it's mentioned that the season is available on DVD, you could also say it's available at Hulu.com, a joint venture between NBC and Fox (or something like that) and use the link in a reference.

-- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Co-production : I have explained better and added a second source.
  • Airdates : I couldn't find the original airdates anywhere, even the reference book doesn't list them, and I didn't know if Hulu was considered a reliable source. Since you told me it is, I gladly changed all production dates to original airdates.
  • Connor MacLeod/Duncan MacLeod : As I told The Rambling Man above, I've used the characters' first names instead. Hope everything is clear now.
  • "Slade kills MacLeod", "MacLeod revives" So he wasn't killed? : Yes, he was killed, but as he is immortal, he revived afterwards. I don't know how to describe it otherwise; even the producers use the words "dead" and killed" when talking about this kind of situation. They say things like "He was killed for the first time" and other characters ask immortals what it is like to be dead. So I used "kills" in this sentence and I'm pretty sure it's accurate. It's a fantasy series about immortality, so I think one can consider death a relative matter when related to this show.
  • Amazon reference : Sorry if I don't understand where the problem is. I've read the guideline, but I don't quote the price of the DVD set and it is not discussed in the article. The Amazon reference is only there to source the release date and I understand Amazon is routinely used on Featured Lists for sourcing that kind of information. Besides, TVShowsOnDVD.com doesn't specify from which region the DVDs come. If I missed something here, could you please explain it to me ?
  • TVShowsOnDVD deals with region 1 DVDs only. It mentions this somewhere in the FAQ section. It's also a reliable source, as it is owned by TV Guide (mentioned in the Terms and Conditions). -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 18:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK I got it. I have replaced the Amazon reference by the TVShowsOnDVD reference.
Everything else is  Done. Thank you very much for your time, have a nice day. Rosenknospe (talk) 15:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking good, but as with all the other FLC I've commented on at the moment, I'm going to be neutral. I'm away for 2 weeks and cannot see the nomination through. Sorry, but I hope my comments helped. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 06:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
    • "Tessa witnesses their and brutally realizes that Duncan can be challenged and beheaded anytime." - There appears to be a word missing in there.
    • A lot of the plot summaries are a tad choppy, the flow needs to be improved.
    • In the summary for "Innocent Man", a character is referred to as Crawley and Crowley. Which is it?
    • "Immortal Felicia Martins (Joan Jett), pursued by Immortal Devereux (Eli Gabay), whose wife and baby she had killed a century ago, seduces Richie to get shelter and fencing lessons from MacLeod, pretending she is a newborn Immortal." That sentence is too long and has too many commas.
    • As someone who doesn't watch the show, I'm having trouble understanding this: "Slade kills MacLeod to blackmail the SWAT commando outside into giving them a helicopter to flee. While Tessa does her best to keep the hostages alive and Randi McFarland reports the event live outside, MacLeod revives" If he was killed, how could he revive?
    • "In the present, Reinhardt's former lover Rebecca (Vanity) recognizes Reinhardt's sword in MacLeod's antique shop and starts stalking MacLeod, thinking he has killed Reinhardt but ignoring that Reinhardt manipulates her." The name Reinhardt is used in the same sentence four times.
    • "Immortal Xavier St. Cloud steals a jewelry"
    • This needs to be fixed: "Amanda then offers a very angry Blaine to partner her to steal a priceless manuscript."
  • A lot of the summaries need to be cleaned up further, I suggest getting a good copyeditor to take a look. -- Scorpion0422 23:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comments, I'm working on them right now. Rosenknospe (talk) 07:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked User:Happy-melon to help with the copy editing. Rosenknospe (talk) 07:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If he was killed, how could he revive? : As I told Matthewedwards, MacLeod is immortal and can be killed and revive afterwards. This is not only me speaking like this, the producers too use the words "dead" and killed" when talking about that kind of situation. It is a temporary, but genuine death. This is a fantasy series; I think "kills" is an accurate description of the plot, and MacLeod's immortality is explained in the second sentence of the lead, so I figured it was enough as this is a list and not the main article about the series. Please let me know if you still find it confusing; I could reword the sentence, but it would be a less accurate description.
I have addressed all other comments. Thank you for your time, have a nice day. Rosenknospe (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have now rewritten two thirds of the summaries, please give me until tomorrow (CET) to finish the rest. Rosenknospe (talk) 16:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Happy-melon didn't answer, so I did the copyediting myself. I think I have addressed all your comments, so everything  Done to the best of my abilities. Anything else ? Rosenknospe (talk) 14:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It reads much better now, but it still wouldn't hurt to have another copyeditor take a look. -- Scorpion0422 23:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked several copyeditors for help on their talk pages and also made a request to the League of Copyeditors. Rosenknospe (talk) 13:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dcoetzee has very kindly done the copyedit. Rosenknospe (talk) 09:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • The first sentence-paragraph of the lead needs to be expanded a little. I'd suggest to bring some facts from the second paragraph to the first one.
    • In the Production section, the first two paragraphs start similarly. They need to be re-written a little bit.
    • The last one-sentence paragraph of the prod section needs to be incorporated somewhere. Avoid one-sentence paragraphs.
    • Why isn't this page's link available in the "Highlander" template? It should be added along with other "season" pages...then the see also section can be removed.

--Crzycheetah 02:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have  Done everything. The link in the template was a good point; I'm so used to it, I don't really see it anymore. Thank you very much for your comments; is there anything else ? Rosenknospe (talk) 10:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just out of curiosity, what information did you take from the ref #17 that wasn't available in the ref#5?--Crzycheetah 19:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, none, but last time I submitted a FLC the reviewer insisted on providing sources, even for episodes titles, so I gave every source I had. Admittedly it's a bit of overkill (and FLC nerves); should I remove ref #17 ? Rosenknospe (talk) 07:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, remove it along with the ref#1(I assume it's there for the titles too). Just leave refs ##5 and 6. Having two refs only is perfect, IMO.--Crzycheetah 08:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok,  Done. What else ? Rosenknospe (talk) 08:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support I made a couple of changes, including adding {{infobox tvseason}}, and placing references after punctuation, per WP:CS, and I think it's now ready to be featured. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 20:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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