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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 17:31, 16 January 2010 [1].

Hartford Dark Blues all-time roster edit

Nominator(s): Neonblak talk - 23:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the standard for FL. Of course, if the reviewers notice any corrections, or grammar, that needs changing, I will rectify them quickly. Neonblak talk - 23:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from KV5
Comments from KV5
  • The captions are very dry and don't really add much to the readers' understanding of the article. The images also need alt text.
  • No need to bold "Hartford Dark Blues" in the lead, as it's not the title.
  • "which then moved" - and moved
  • Link first instance of captain to Captain (sports)
  • ", and played their" - ; they played their"
  • "second place finishes" - second-place
  • De-space and superscript the § signs.
  • I don't think the spaces in the cells of players with multiple positions are necessary.
  • In the reference section:
  • The titles are incorrect; Retrosheet's page titles are simply the player's name. They don't say "[name]'s career statistics".
  • Dates like "01 December" shouldn't have leading zeroes; either "1 December" or "December 1" is appropriate.
  • What makes BaseballLibrary.com reliable?

Hope these comments help. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 23:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great suggestions, I implemented most of them, but have a few questions/comments.

1) I created the "Notes" section to give a short bit of information on the player, and I think these are slightly better written than the last two FLs I was able to get passed. Are you suggesting leaving the spot blank for players who have no interesting information to give. I could be wrong, and I don't speak for anyone else but me, but I find the idea of a straight table-listing of players quite dry.
Not at all; I was referring only to the image captions. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 12:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clearing that up. I have made the captions just say who they are, and their fielding position, if you think there should be more, please let me know.Neonblak talk - 06:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2) Since it was suggested in either peer review or FL nom, I find the spaces between the players' fielding position better looking; again, my view.
Honestly, I like the way it looks too, but that suggestion was per MOS:SLASH. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 12:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I look at the MOS for slashes, it only states that unspaced slashes may be used, so unless this is a deal breaker, I prefer to keep it the way it is being used here. I have, though, used the non-breaking spaces per the same MOS.Neonblak talk - 06:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3) I removed the "0" in front of the "02" in the ref date as you suggested, however, by using the "cite" reference button, it is automatically generated.
Support - per the positive resolution of comments made by myself and others towards the goal. Cheers. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Articles should be created for the redlinks. Wizardman 05:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • If possible, yes, but it's not essential. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not essential yes, but since all of them were able to be created I would have preferred it. Giants' issues are fixed and the image problem doesn't seem too big to me, it's pretty obvious they're public domain (at least pd-us), so Support. Wizardman 18:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:45, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Don't know if it's just me but "and one in " would read better for me if it said "and for one in"?
  • Make that image larger if the resolution supports it.
  • " the other veteran players" - you didn't say Lip was a veteran...
  • "in earned run average the two previous " - in... or for... the two previous?
  • "did increase the team's good fortune" - you're suggesting the team changes made the team luckier to me. Perhaps just be a little more factual - after the team changes, results improved?
  • "With stable hitting, behind veterans ..." sorry, but what do you mean by "behind" here?
  • Fifth part of the key says "indicates", none of the rest of the key does that.
  • Seasons doesn't appear to sort for me.
  • Ref 1 needs an en-dash instead of a hyphen.
  • Perhaps discussed before, what makes retrosheet a reliable source?

The Rambling Man (talk) 14:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All good suggestions, and I have made the changes you proposed, including the size of the pic in lead. Now about Retrosheet. It is a website that contains the most up-to-date information regarding statistics, derived from the actual box-scores from every game played from 1871 to present. The is derived the box-scores that are kept on record at the Baseball Hall of Fame. Members of SABR run the website, and are decicated to providing the most accurate statistics available, as well as locating birth, death, and burial information on each player, manager, umpire, etc. who have appeared in a major league game. From my experience, Retrosheet is the best resource for statistics, name, birth, and death information.Neonblak talk - 17:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also see User:Ealdgyth/FAC cheatsheet#Baseball. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 18:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "The Hartford Dark Blues was a short-lived Major League Baseball franchise in the 1870s, which was based for three years in Hartford, Connecticut and for one in Brooklyn, New York." I was always under the impression that plural team nicknames should have "were" following them, not "was".
Well, I used "was" in these cases due the the "Hartford Dark Blues" being a singular entity, but it never has sounded right to me because the plural nature of the name. I can go with either/or.Neonblak talk - 06:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tom Carey note: "and among the league's shortstops three times." Feels like something is missing. Among the league's what?
re-worded, hopefully this version is more clear.Neonblak talk - 06:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now reads "leading the league in games played shortstops all three seasons". Might want to remove "shortstops" from that. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
One more try at it; I think I have the intent clarified this time.Neonblak talk - 05:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hate to bug you again, but it now reads "his total of 86 in led the...". Remove the excess "in" and this should be done. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.Neonblak talk - 02:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bob Ferguson note: "Ferguson played third base and was their player-manager for the franchise's final three seasons." I would remove "their" as an unneeded extra word.
Fixed.Neonblak talk - 06:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Terry Larkin note: Dash needed for 29-25.
Fixed.Neonblak talk - 06:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jack Manning note: "Manning time with Hartford consisted of one game." "Manning" → "Manning's".
Fixed.Neonblak talk - 06:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move the external link to after the references.
Fixed.Neonblak talk - 06:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Photos: Most of the images lack proof that they were published before 1923 (as claimed for public domain status), not merely created. The only one I'm sure about is the Jack Burdock baseball card, which is fine.
  • In the alt text, proper names shouldn't be given since they cannot be verified just by looking at the image.
  • Minor point, but the access dates in the references are in date-month-year format, which is normally associated with articles that aren't related to the United States. For U.S.-related pages, month-day-year is normally used.
Fixed.Neonblak talk - 06:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 15:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have made the smaller changes you have suggested, I look into the photo situation, and try to figure out the alt text better.Neonblak talk - 06:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Tommy Bond picture is part of the A.G. Spalding collection on the New York Public Library, picture being part his Spaldings personal collection of photos he had gathered throughout his baseball career. He died in 1915. So although no date of the photo is specifically given, I can deduce that the photo of the person is correct, and was published before 1923. But, if it needs better proof, then I will need to remove it and find a suitable replacement. The Ferguson photo is similar, in that, his name is on the photo, photo was taken in Chicago, he is wearing the White Stockings uniform, so it is likely that the photo was published in or around 1878, the only season he played for the Stockings.Neonblak talk - 06:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have fixed the alt=text for the photos. Now for the photos themselves, I left a comment above on that, if that is not suitable, please let me know.Neonblak talk - 04:09, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see that Wizardman commented in favor of the photos' status. I'll leave it unstruck pending another set of eyes, but I'm inclined to call them okay as is. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Great work! You should remind the reviewers who have capped their comments to stop by again! Staxringold talkcontribs 04:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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