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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 03:05, 24 February 2010 [1].

Grammy Award for Best Traditional Pop Vocal Album edit

Nominator(s): Another Believer (Talk) 19:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all FL criteria. The list is similar to the recently-promoted Grammy Legend Award list, but without all the white space. Pictures are well-suited for the Legend list, as each entry is a different individual, but this list contains duplicate entries (including one listed 10 times), so pictures would be redundant. Also, I did not center the Nationality column, as I found it to be distracting (the Legend list has enough space that centering the Nationality column looks better). The list should be up to standards as far as sources, formatting, sorting, alt text, disambig links, etc. go. Thanks so much! --Another Believer (Talk) 19:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Reywas92Talk 22:24, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Reywas92Talk 22:24, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Very nice, but short, list. I don't think I have any problems, but I do have a somewhat related question: Why are the Grammy award ceremonies up to 1997 styled as Grammy Awards of 1997, but after that it's 40th Grammy Awards? Reywas92Talk 00:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know why that is either, but I'm about to move all the "Grammy Awards of..." stylized articles to the "st/nd/rd/th Grammy Awards" style. The 1st and 2nd Grammy Awards were both held in the same year, so this formatting would avoid any need for disambiguation and keeps all the ceremony articles consistent. Pyrrhus16 16:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Pyrrhus16. I went ahead and updated all of the links in the list so that they link directly to the proper titles. The Grammy Awards template could be updated as well for consistency. I might be able to get around to that soon, but I am off to work for now! --Another Believer (Talk) 17:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I went ahead and updated the Grammy Awards template as well. --Another Believer (Talk) 19:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wait! What about the artists nominated for the award? They are also honored and very relevant to the topic. I would like to know what competition the winners had. And the most recent awards haven't been added yet [2]. Reywas92Talk 01:53, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How did you want them to be displayed? Like this? Or this? Or another way? I feel this will add a lot of white space to the list, but I'd be happy to add nominees if reviewers find it necessary. I am hoping past nominees are east to find online. --Another Believer (Talk) 04:40, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How do you like this? This will be the first (competitive) Grammy FL, so it will likely set a precedent for others. IMO the style used in many Oscar articles is best because it still allows sorting of all names. Here are the 2008 and 2009 nominees, and I'm sure the rest are somewhere, otherwise I think the recent ones would suffice. This is related info, so there's no reason to leave it out. Cheers, Reywas92Talk 21:49, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Doing... --Another Believer (Talk) 06:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and added a Nominees column, where nominees (apart from the winner) will be listed alphabetically by last name in an unsortable column, along with a Reference column to verify the nominees. Now that there is more white space in the list, I think it would look better if all of the columns, apart from the Nominees column, are centered. Also, I think I will make the text in the Nominees column slightly smaller, just to reduce the amount of white space. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Almost done. I know it is the responsibility of the nominator to update the list and make the corrections needed to address reviewers' concerns, but I am having trouble finding reliable sources that provide the nominees for two of the years. If you are able to help find a reliable source with that information, it would be much appreciated. I will continue looking in the meantime. With the Nominees column, we may need to play with the table a bit (or at least remove the pictures along the right side of the page, as the table is squeezed together too much (in my opinion). However, it certainly contains more information than before, and it more useful in that sense. --Another Believer (Talk) 20:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here is one. Rockonthenet.com should be reliable per this FAC (it's the official site of the ARC Weekly Top 40). Dabomb87 (talk) 23:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much! The Nominees column is completed--now we just have to figure out how to best fit all of this information without compacting all of the text (at least it appears that way on my computer). As much as I enjoy the images along the right hand side, and actually now the table is long enough that more images could be added, they may need to be removed so that there is more width for the table itself. Thoughts? --Another Believer (Talk) 01:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Looking over this article, I can see no issues to be raised. The prose and the lead are both fine, the article is comprehensive and it is also visually appealing. Well done. Pyrrhus16 16:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 17:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi. I think you should re-word the paragraph about multiple winners in this category, since Michael Bublé won his second Grammy in this field yesterday.Jaespinoza (talk) 07:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 17:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering about the other albums nominated, I'm glad you are adding a column with the nominees for every year, just like the Mercury Prize list. Jaespinoza (talk) 18:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I am working on that as we speak... though it might take some time to find nominees for each year. I do think it will make the list much more informative and useful. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I thought the awards were given by "National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences" not the "Grammy Awards"?
See below. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps you could say they are given at the Grammy Awards, by the National Academy...?
Better? Line one says "at", line two says "by" the NARAS. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "outstanding achievements in the music industry." cite this.
I found a better description, coming straight from the Grammy Awards site. Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are the alternative names cited somewhere?
Yes, the category names are listed for each entry under the General source. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't like small text, it just makes the list less accessible.
  • You could add additional images down the right-hand side - Connick Jr, kd lang, Rod Stewart, Buble, all have images of one sort or another.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 19:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stewart's Great American Songbooks - second one is called "Songbook 2", third is "Songbook, Volume III", fourth is "Songbook 4". Is this precisely correct?
Corrected. I went ahead and moved the articles to reflect the correct album titles. They are now consistent, and as they appear on the album covers. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 5 could use an en-dash.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • And ref 13.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 14:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have addressed all of your concerns, apart from the small text and images along the right side of the page. Here is my concern, which I tried to discuss above with Reywas. At least on my computer, the text is already wrapped in all 4 columns (Performing artist(s), Nationality, Title, and Nominees), so that "lang" wraps to a second line, each entry of "States" (as in U.S.) wraps, and some of the album titles for the other two columns wrap. Enlarging the text will only increase the amount of wrapping. While I like the images, and I would love to add more, I don't think the table looks good with so much wrapped text. Any thoughts, or ways you can think of to correct this problem? --Another Believer (Talk) 18:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I can see your point about the smaller text but adding additional images surely won't make it worse as long as you force them all to the same "thumb" (either just thumb or upright)? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I have no problem with adding images. I will work on that now... Done! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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