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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 19:09, 28 June 2010 [1].

Grammy Award for Best Female Rock Vocal Performance

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Nominator(s): Another Believer (Talk) 19:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets FL criteria and closely resembles other Grammy-related FL lists I have nominated previously (including the companion to this list, Grammy Award for Best Male Rock Vocal Performance). The list should be up to par as far as disambig. links, alternate text, formatting, sorting, etc. go. Any feedback would be appreciated, and thanks to all reviewers for taking the time to offer their comments! Another Believer (Talk) 19:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments.

  • According to its article, in 2005 Best Rock Vocal Performance, Solo was renamed to Best Solo Rock Vocal Performance.
    Updated lead to include alternate category title. --Another Believer (Talk) 17:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not everybody knows that "The Globe Sessions" and "Sheryl Crow and Friends: Live from Central Park" are albums.
    Should a change be made to the lead even though the titles are italics (as albums should be) and anyone could click on either title to confirm they are indeed albums? Personally, I think it is fairly obvious that the two titles are for albums, but I can try to make the lead clearer if needed. Thank you so much for taking time to review the list and offer feedback. --Another Believer (Talk) 17:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, changes should be made. Ruslik_Zero 16:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Not a problem. Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:37, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ruslik_Zero 16:00, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. I do not see any more problems, so I support. Ruslik_Zero 18:57, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Jujutacular T · C 01:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "...though it has been presented to musicians from Canada" - how about using 'vocalist' instead of 'musician' as it is more specific.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not that I necessarily want anything changed, but could you explain your wikilinks for the "Milwaukee Journal / Milwaukee Journal Sentinel" in the references? The same article is linked twice.
No problem--I'd be happy to offer an explanation. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel was formerly known as The Milwaukee Journal. If you click on the link used in the reference, then click on "The Milwaukee Journal - Jan 14, 1982" in the top left-hand corner, you will be taken to the front page to see that the actual source being used is The Milwaukee Journal. However, I wanted to link the source name to the current name of the paper (hence the wikilink). I hope this explanation makes sense. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just realized two different former names are used (hence the reason both are linked, since they display different newspaper titles). It seems the newspaper has had several names changes in the past. I chose to display the name of the paper as seen on the scan, but wikilinked both instances to the current name of the paper. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:03, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah! Now I am confused. Please ignore this second comment. First comment stands (the paper is linked to twice; once under its current name, once under a former name). Sorry for making things even more confusing! --Another Believer (Talk) 22:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not a problem! I was a bit confused too, hence the question. But the explanation makes sense, thanks. Jujutacular T · C 01:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A woman in a green shirt, black belt and dark gray skirt behind a microphone stand on a stage." - alt text grammar error.
Better? --Another Believer (Talk) 22:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Introduced a redundancy when fixed, I have removed it. Looks good now. Jujutacular T · C 01:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jujutacular T · C 21:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Another nice list – my concerns have been addressed. Good work! Jujutacular T · C 01:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco
Comments
  • "However, in 1988, 1992, 1994, and since 2005 this category was combined with the Grammy Award for Best Male Rock Vocal Performance and presented in a genderless category known as Best Rock Vocal Performance, Solo (this category was later renamed to Best Solo Rock Vocal Performance beginning in 2005). " -- this sentence is just a bit jumbled and confusing, I recommend splitting it up to make it flow much better or reword it. Plus a comma is needed after "since 2005"
Better? --Another Believer (Talk) 16:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Very. :)--Truco 503 01:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good! --Another Believer (Talk) 03:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This fusion was sometimes criticized, especially when females were not nominated under the solo category.[3] The Academy cited a lack of eligible recordings in the female rock category as the reason for the mergers." -- has to be more in present tense since it is a present argument isn't it?
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Crow's "There Goes the Neighborhood" has been nominated twice; a version from the album The Globe Sessions was nominated in 1999 (but lost to Morissette's "Uninvited"), and a live version from the album Sheryl Crow and Friends: Live from Central Park was nominated and won in 2001." -- this needs rewording too, such as in continuation from "Crow's blah blah; blah blah (like in a series)" not "Crow's blah blah; a blah blah ---> Crow's a blah blah (doesn't make sense). In addition, you end up the sentence with a comma "and" not a ";"
I'm terribly sorry, but I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here. Could you clarify further, or maybe offer a more specific suggestion? --Another Believer (Talk) 16:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, the wording was bad in my comment anyways. I meant like you start off the sentence like "Bob's apples; an orange" Do you see how, "Bob's an orange" wouldn't make as much sense as "Bob's apples?" Same with the sentence above with the "Crow's (insert work here); a version of (insert work here). See how "Crow's a version of (insert work here) doesn't really make sense? That's what I mean.--Truco 503 01:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the clarification. Yes, I understand what you mean. I changed the wording a bit--is that any better? I didn't completely reconstruct the sentence, but I think the addition of nouns and other words helps the sentence make a bit more sense. Do let me know if the replacement does not satisfy your concern. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Instead of "title" in the table, it should be "work" since its more of a variety of the nominated artist's. In addition the lead should have something about how the artists are nominated for specific works (ie. album, singles, etc.)--Truco 503 02:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Changed "title" to "work". Changed lead to "for works containing quality vocal performances". Better? --Another Believer (Talk) 16:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, once all concerns are addressed, I will likely make the same edits over at this male list for consistency. I hope this is acceptable. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Issues resolved, meets WP:WIAFL. Great work.--Truco 503 19:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Provisional support – Didn't notice any problems with the list myself; this can be considered a full support once Truco's comments are addressed. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 02:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Crimes of Passion links to something completely different to what I expected to see...
Corrected. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Several Grammy-winning "works" aren't linked at all. What decision drove that?
Simply put, I linked the ones I could find that had articles about them. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would go with WP:N so if these works are truly notable (i.e. they're Grammy Award-winning) then they should be linked. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So red links are better than no links? Just making sure I understand. --Another Believer (Talk) 19:14, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, if you're convinced that the things you're linking are genuinely worthy of an article (which, in general, would mean they meet WP:N) then good. A few redlinks will not prevent an FLC from becoming an FL. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 19:17, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it worth mentioning that the award can go to both albums and singles?
I'd like to think readers could make the assumption (based on the fact that the songs have quotation marks and the albums are italicized), but I know I should not do so. If you prefer, I could add "(songs or albums)" after "works" in the first sentence of the lead. Or, if you have another suggestion, I am open. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't like the assumption that our readers get the difference between italics and not. So a sentence in the lead would be good. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and clarified in the lead that works can be songs or albums. --Another Believer (Talk) 19:14, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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