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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:46, 12 June 2008 [1].

Faith No More discography edit

The Discography for Faith No More. I'm nominating it because I believe it to be complete and well referenced. — Balthazar (T|C) 18:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support After chasing down a million of my innane suggestions, I'm happy to finally support. Very nice work! Drewcifer (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from Drewcifer
  • Oppose Definitely a good start, but it still needs alot of work. In general, the list's style is pretty much contradictory to every other FL discog. In many cases the discog's style differs from precedence in ways that aren't just aesthetic, but hurts the functionality of the list as well. I'd recommend a close look at MOS:DISCOG for some adive, as well as looking at previous FL discogs for good examples, my personal favorites being Nine Inch Nails discography and The Prodigy discography. Drewcifer (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Looking better. Few more minor issues I see:

I originally based the design of it on the Powderfinger discography, which is why many of the parts of it are styled the way they are. I have now changed it to better suit, however. — [[User:Balthazar|<font color="slategray">'''''Balthazar'''''</font>]] ([[User talk:Balthazar|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Balthazar|C]]) 05:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
A few more issues I see:
  • Why do all the tables use small font?
  • The singles column on the Studio albums is unnecessary: the singles table says the exact same thing, no need to repeat the same thing twice.
  • The dashes in the chart columns should be em-dashes (—).
  • The chart columns should be in the following order: home country first, then alphabetical by English-language name.
  • Don't wikilink dates if not complete (like just a year).
  • Some of the release titles are indented some, aren't. I'd go with unindented throughout. Scratch that, it just appears that way because some of the tables are squished and the titles are center aligned. I'd recommend left alinging them (like normal) to avoid this problem.
  • This is just a personal preference, but I'm leaning towards a single certifications column, not a column per certifying body/country. IE like The Prodigy discography. IT would help make the tables (which are a little wide) more manageable.
  • "Chart positions" isn't specific enough. I'd recommend "Peak chart positions" or "Chart peak positions" or something like that.
  • B-sides are generally discouraged in discographies: this is a discography, not a songography. We are concerned with the band's releases, not the individual tracks on those releases.
  • Some instances of "Platinum" are lower-cased, some are upper cased. Upper case is the correct form, I believe.
Hopefully this will be enough to get you started. All this and more can be found on MOS:DISCOG. Please take a look for more suggestions/advice/examples. Drewcifer (talk) 01:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Except for reordering the columns, those things are now done. — [[User:Balthazar|<font color="slategray">'''''Balthazar'''''</font>]] ([[User talk:Balthazar|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Balthazar|C]] 13:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I think the BooYaa tribe footnote thing might be better suited to the same section, rather then the references section. Drewcifer (talk) 06:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consider merging the two successive Ralph Ziman cells.
  • What happened to the directors of the music videos for Another Body Murdered and Richocet?
  • Try adding a # to catalog numbers. Also consider putting it in small font, to differentiate it from the label.
  • For the certifications, I would recommend replacing the RIAA/BPI/etc with the countries (abbreviated of course), but linking to RIAA/BPI/etc.
  • External links shouldn't be a subsection.
  • In the lead, "Slash" should be "Slash Records".
checkY Done all them, including the chart rows reorder. The BooYaa tribe footnote is used in two sections, so its at the bottom to avoid repeating it. — [[User:Balthazar|<font color="slategray">'''''Balthazar'''''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Balthazar|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Balthazar|C]])</sup> 22:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  • The citations in general need alot of cleanup. They all need to give full attribution, and as much as is available. Consider using citation templates since they do alot of the work for you.
The citations still need alot of work. They're overall inconsistent, and many don't give full attribution.
  • MVDBase is not considered a reliable source. but the good thing is music videos are typically considered to cite themselves (since they usually contain credit for Directors), so you can just remove the citations and you'r cool.
  • Why does You Fat Bastards have a Recorded date?
  • Canada should be abbreviated as CAN, not CA, so as to not be confused with California.
  • Also concerning abbreviations, 3-letter abbreviations are generally better then two-letters, except where two is more appropriate (such as US, UK, NZ, etc). Also, abbreviations should be in English, not the country's official language. Also, they should be alphabetized by English-language name, not indgeinous name. Also (lots of alsos, I know), many of the abbreviations are not consistent throughout the article. the United States is abbreviated as USA and US (latter preferable), Netherlands as NLD and NET (the former preferable), Switzerland as SWI and SWT (the former preferable), France as FR and FRA (the latter preferable), and so on.
  • Since there's so many citations for the certifications, I'd recommend putting them next to the content being sourced, not the column header. Drewcifer (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. You Fat Bastards had a recorded date because it seemed like a good idea at the time. All the citations now use {{Cite web}}. — [[User:Balthazar|<font color="slategray">'''''Balthazar'''''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Balthazar|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Balthazar|C]])</sup> 17:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • "As of March 2008" is a little unnecessary. Mainly since the band is defunct (and has been for 10 years now). Also because, since the band is now defunct, I'd imagine most of the prose should be in the past tense. And also because it's a phrase that constantly needs updating.
  • "Their second album, Introduce Yourself, was released in April 1987 and shortly afterwards they fired Chuck Mosely, their vocalist at the time, and replaced him with Mike Patton." Like previous sentences I've pointed out, this sentence is confusing becuse it's long and changes topic midway though. Split it up into two sentences to make it more readable.
  • In general, consider whether it's important to the band overall body of work what month/day something was release. For example, I think it would be a cleaner read if "ased their fifth studio album, King for a Day... Fool for a Lifetime, on March 13, 1995" were changed to "ased their fifth studio album, King for a Day... Fool for a Lifetime, in 1995". The day doesn't seem to have any significance here in the lead, so it's unneccessary detail. Same thing with the other full dates.
  • Australia is abbreviated as AU in the certifications column of the first table. Drewcifer (talk) 19:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. — [[User:Balthazar|<font color="slategray">'''''Balthazar'''''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Balthazar|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Balthazar|C]])</sup> 20:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Similar columns between tables should ideally be kept a consistent width (ie the Title and Certifications columns in the first few tables, and the Title columns in the singles and music video tables).
    • Looks better, but I think you overdid it a little bit. Namely, the first few tables are now so wide that they squish some of the other columns on smaller monitors (such as mine). I realize this is to make space for You Fat Bastard's long title, but I think it would be better to have that break into two lines, and make the title column a little closer to everything else.
  • I'm a little wary of http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/. Furthermore, I'm a little wary of the sentence it's sourcing (that The Real Thing) is highly acclaimed. Not that it's a disputed fact, but I don't think it belongs here. So I'd just kill two birds with one stone and get rid of the phrase and source. Drewcifer (talk) 07:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. — [[User:Balthazar|<font color="slategray">'''''Balthazar'''''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Balthazar|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Balthazar|C]])</sup> 17:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose, I don't see enough citations. GreenJoe 23:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are many featured discography's with less citations. I've added some more citations to it. — Balthazar (T|C) 05:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • No need for "This article is a comprehensive listing of all official releases" If featured, comprehensiveness is assumed, and a discog shouldn't contain unofficial releases either,
  • So if anything, simply "This is the discography of Faith No More", but before that, read Wikipedia_talk:Featured_list_candidates#Straight_repetitions_of_the_title_in_the_opening_sentence
  • Per WP:LS#Bold title, don't link the bold text
  • Kerrang! is a magazine, so should be italicised.
  • "Number 1", not "#1"
  • But actually, don't do that at all, because they weren't number 1 in every territory they were released. Or you could state where they were number 1, I suppose
  • Move "Throughout this article, "—" in the Charts cell indicates that the selected release did not chart, or was not released in that country." from the album section to the Lead section, as it applies to every section, not just albums
  • Include catalog numbers for the albums and compilations
  • I'd prefer to see the certifications columns combined into one, so for The Real Thing, it'd be something like
RIAA: Platinum
CRIA: Platinum
BPI: Silver
  • Include a link to Music recording sales certification
  • Move the ARIA certification reference from the cell, to the header as they are for RIAA, CRIA and BPI
  • Remove the singles column from the compilations table and move them to the Singles table
  • I'm not sure if this applies here as I know nothing about the group, but make sure only original recordings are in the "Soundtrack contributions" section, rather than songs that have been licensed from albums. Might be worth renaming the section "Other appearances" per other discogs

Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed all those, The contents of the "Soundtrack contributions" was "Other appearances" but that got changed. — Balthazar (T|C) 19:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More comments.

  • Can you find a free-use image for the infobox? If not, this will be the only Featured discog without.
  • For some reason the Header text in the infobox is squashed. See this snapshot image of the page to see what I mean.

Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 02:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, Nation of Ulysses discography doesn't have an image. Drewcifer (talk) 04:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. Well, it'd still be nice! -- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 04:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The squashed header text is rendering error, no idea what's causing it, I've only seen it a few times and it goes when I refresh or resize the window. — Balthazar (T|C) 17:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More

  • I'm still not liking the "This is a discography.." as the intro sentence. The reader knows that from the title. How about "The discography of Faith No More, an American alternative rock group consists of six studio albums, eighteen singles...."
  • Can you find cites for the music video directors?

Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 04:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Extra line after "Studio albums"

Gary King (talk) 04:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The {{clear}} was there to stop the first table and the infobox overlapping at certain resolutions. It was of more use before I added the extra paragraph to the lead. Green tickY Removed. — Balthazar (T|C) 22:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I now wholeheartedly support
    • I had some qualms about the prose in the lead, but I'm rewriting that.
    • I don't really think "which has been called the most influential album of all time by Kerrang!" is really necessary here. Is that kind of thing normal in discography articles?
      • I'm not sure. — Balthazar (T|C) 20:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • To clarify, I don't think we should be including just one critical opinion on that album here, and none that are less enthusiastic about that album, nor anything about any of the others. It's cherry-picking critical response, and I don't think any critical response is needed here. Tuf-Kat (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Green tickY Removed, I also added a part on their many compilation albums to the lead. — Balthazar (T|C) 22:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tuf-Kat (talk) 19:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Added some fixes, changed some stuff about. Music videos are now cited. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 15:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

does this include compilation albums and singles released from the soundtracks? because "The Perfect Crime" was only on the soundtrack and 12 years later on a compilation and "Another Body Murdered" was released as a single from the soundtrack it was recorded for. — Balthazar (T|C) 20:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. I have added them back in but not under the title of soundtrack contributions. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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