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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 23:11, 10 January 2009 [1].

Eminem discography edit

previous FLC

After receiving multiple feedback from the previous FLC, along suggestions from a recent peer review, I feel this discography meets the FL criteria and is now ready to go through the process, once again. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 11:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: all replies written in Navy blue were written by User:Udonknome at 01:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: all replies written in Maroon were written by User:Udonknome at 00:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Just a couple of quick ones from me, haven't got time to give a full review, sorry.

  • EPs: UK Albums Chart → UK. Also move the reference underneath UK...
    • Done
  • In my opinion, Bubbling Under Singles should be stated as 113 not 13, because that is really what they are, isn't it? Sure it's 13 on the BU chart, but that really starts at 101, so it's not really a justified number 1, 2 or whatever it may be.
    • I am not sure what you mean. Billboard actually publishes a separate Bubbling Under Singles chart for the songs that do not reach the Hot 100.
  • Make the director field wider in the music videos, just so the names and refs are all on one line.
    • Done
  • Infinite's catalog number is: WEB714V Link.

k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:30, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Thanks. I also added the catalog number for The Slim Shady EP.


Resolved comments from SRX

Oppose - Improvements since the last FLC, but still a couple of problems before I can lend support

  • In 1996, Eminem released under Web Entertainment his first studio album, Infinite, which failed to enter in any national charts. How about rewording to rank on any national charts
    • Done
  • In the same year, the rapper along manager Paul Rosenberg founded the imprint label Shady Records. - comma between along and Rosenberg
    • Done
  • In the subsequent year, Eminem released his third studio album The Marshall Mathers LP, which sold 1.76 million copies in its first week, breaking records as the fastest-selling hip hop album of all-time as the fastest-selling solo album in the United States. - the repetitive as the sounds awkward, how about replacing the second as the with and the
    • Done
  • The lead single "The Real Slim Shady" became Eminem's first song to enter in the top ten of the Billboard Hot 100, while "Stan" was the most successful singles outside of the States, where it failed to reach the top fifty. - 1)singles should not be plural 2)If it is outside the U.S., on which chart did it fail to reach the top fifty?
    • It failed to reach the top fifty in the US, while it reach various #1's outside of the US. I re-worded it.
  • In 2002, Eminem's fourth album The Eminem Show debuted at number one on the Billboard 200 along reaching the top spot on various charts worldwide, as it went on to sell over nineteen million copies across the globe.[ - comma between the album name and along should be replaced with and.
    • Done
  • The album received eight platinum certifications from both the RIAA and New Zealand's RIANZ, while it reached Diamond status in Canada. - RIANZ needs to be spelled out and Diamond status should be elaborated as to what it means.
    • Done
  • In the same year, for the first time the rapper reached the number one spot on the Hot 100 with the song "Lose Yourself" from the 8 Mile soundtrack. - comma after time and one before from
    • Done
  • The album too reached the number one position in the United States, where it sold more than four[12] of the nine million copies distributed worldwide. - too should be replaced with also
    • Done
  • In 2004, Eminem's fifth studio album Encore became the rapper's third or consecutive studio album to reach number one in the United States, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and United Kingdom. - IMO or should be and
    • I removed "or". Third consecutive is what I meant.
  • Following Encore, Eminem released a greatest hits album Curtain Call: The Hits in 2005 which sold almost three million copies in the US[14] and has received a double platinum certification from RIAA. - 1)Comma before which 2)reword and has received to and received
    • Done
  • The album received in 2007 a platinum certification from the RIAA. - place the in 2007 after RIAA
    • Done
  • Is the info on the sales for his 1996 album unavailable?
    • The closest thing I've found is this ("Eminem already had an underground album titled Infinite, and reportedly sold 500 copies out of the trunk"). I doubt it can be used as a reliable source.
      • I don't think so either, just add an emdash there and place a note stating why it couldn't be found.--SRX 03:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
        • I actually found an article from the Los Angeles Times stating that the album sold around a 1000 copies. The article is in the pay-per-view ProQuest archive, so I am not sure if you are interested in buying it. Nonetheless, this is the following quote: "Released on a label called Web Entertainment, "Infinite" sold only about 1000 copies." I think this should work. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 08:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • link (Silly me) Do U(knome)? yes...or no 08:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is the info for the 1996 album certifications unavailable, or did it receive none, if it received none, place an emdash there.
    • This also applies to the 2003 compilation album, the singles, and video albums
      • Done
  • CD Universe is unreliable as a source
    • I was hoping I could use it as a collective database, but to be honest I had some doubts too. Given that there are over fifty entries in that table and that each may require a citation, this will probably take me one or two days. Is that OK?
      • Well, what is CD Universe citing exactly?SRX 03:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
        • CD Universe is a music retail store, kind of like Amazon. And nonetheless, I already did 'the job' and replaced with various references, as you can see here. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 08:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The albums Eminem Presents: The Re-Up, The Up in Smoke Tour and Music from and Inspired by the Motion Picture 8 Mile are credited by Eminem along various artists. - source?
    • I removed this, as there is contrasting information. For example, the RIAA credits The Up in Smoke Tour as an album by various artists, while ARIA credits it as an album by Eminem, Dr. Dre, Warren G and Snoop Dogg. As well, the RIAA credits Eminem Presents: The Re-Up by various artists, while for Allmusic it's an Eminem album.
  • "Just Don't Give a Fuck" was later released on The Slim Shady LP in 1999. - source?
    • Done
  • How reliable is "Rap Basement"?
    • I believe it is reliable. It is one of the most comprehensive websites when it comes to hip hop news, and it received in 2007 an award from VH1 for having the best coverage of hip hop lifestyle. Also, what is being used as a source in this case is simply Paul Rosemborg stating that he co-founded Shady Records with Eminem.
      • Okay, thats fine in my eyes, lets see what the source checker says.SRX 03:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  • The Notes should be in the footnotes section and the references should be in its own section, not as subsections.--SRX 16:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
    • Done. Thanks for your extensive review.
  • Support - my comments were resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--SRX 19:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


    • Comment Much improved from the last time I saw it. One quick comment: Don't abbreviate the publisher names in the citations. RIAA, BPI, etc should be spelled out. Drewcifer (talk) 20:12, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      • Done. Thanks
    Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]
    Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

    Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

    • "along its subsidiaries" Word missing here.
      • What do you mean? If anything, "its" is unnecessary.
        • Perhaps I don't understand the usage of "along" here. Shouldn't there be a "with" after "along"?
    • "In this discography, music videos and collaborations are included as well." Can you move this sentence down some, as it concerns the contents of this list rather than the artist.
      • Where would I move this? The paragraph where it is currently located deals with the sum of the artist releases and content of the list; the rest is simply the artist's release history. Also, keep in mind that the lead should deal primarily with the content of this discography.
    • "In 1996, Eminem released under Web Entertainment his first studio album"-->In 1996, Eminem released his first studio album under the Web Entertainment label...
      • Here is how it would read then: "In 1996, Eminem released his first studio album under the Web Entertainment label, Infinite, which failed to rank on any national charts." I'm not sure that's what we want.
        • Well, the sentence construction either way is awkward. Is the record label info absolutely necessary here? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • I split the sentence into two parts: "In 1996, Eminem released his first studio album, Infinite, under Web Entertainment. The album sold only around a thousand copies[4] and failed to rank on any national charts." Does this work? Do U(knome)? yes...or no 00:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The dabfinder tool is down now, but I checked the article a couple days ago, and there were multiple dabs that needed to be fixed. (more comments later, something just came up). Dabomb87 (talk) 22:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yeah, and i don't use my toy (Checklinks tool), because is down for maintance too. Cannibaloki 22:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • D'oh! How long do you think it might take to fix it?
          • It shouldn't be too long, I hope. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • I found and fixed three dab links; I think that was the number of dabs I found with the tool, so we should be good there. Sorry about the long delay in finishing my review (New Year's festivities and all that), I promise I will get to it tomorrow. Dabomb87 (talk) 05:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "and failed to rank on any national charts" Done
    • "while receiving four platinum certifications"-->and received four platinum certifications... Done
    • "along manager Paul Rosenberg" Missing a "with". Done
    • "breaking records as the fastest-selling hip hop album"—"as"-->for. Done
    • "as it went on to sell over nineteen million copies across the globe." "across the globe"-->worldwide. Done
    • "a diamond certifications" Should be singular. Done
    • "In the same year, for the first time the rapper reached the number one spot on the Hot 100" Logical flow a bit off, put "for the first time" after "Hot 100". Done
    • "four[13] of the nine million copies distributed worldwide" Ambiguous, at first read, it sounded like he sold four copies! Fixed
    • "and eleven worldwide" You do mean "eleven million", correct? Indeed
    • "Following Encore, Eminem released in 2005 a greatest hits album Curtain Call: The Hits, which sold almost three million copies in the US"—"Following Encore" is not really necessary, readers will have figured out that you are going in chronological order. Done
    • "Meanwhile" Idle word, not necessary. Done
    • "Royce da 5'9"" "da"--> Done
    • "Swiss Music Charts"-->Swiss Record Charts. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Ref 43 http://www.smokecds.com/cd/34168 lists the product as "not found". Replaced with this
    • As I said below, the Youtube video titles should be copied character for character—change the spaced em dashes to hyphens when necessary. Also, how do we know that the videos are not copyright infringements?
    • For the Billboard refs, use "Billboard" as the work—it will be automatically italicized—and "Nielsen Business Media, Inc" as the publisher. Done
    • Ref 4 (LA times, "Has He No Shame...") needs a note that a fee is required. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Support, all done. Cannibaloki 20:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Resolved stuff from Cannibaloki

    Comments

    • Before, see MOS:EMDASHES; Em dashes should not be spaced. (You use them several times in references titles.)
      • Actually, those em dashes should not even be used. Unless the title is in all caps, we should keep true to the orginal source title as much as possible, so change those em dashes back to hyphens in such cases. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Removed. The dashes were added through a script, as noted above in my response to Dabomb87. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 08:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Rap Basement - About Us (Ref. 6)
      • In 2007, VH1 recognized RapBasement.com by presenting it with the "Best Hip Hop Lifestyle" website, beating out such competitors as BET.com. You can view the award by clicking here.
      • Used on: In the same year, the rapper, along manager Paul Rosenberg, founded the imprint label Shady Records. (No problem, is a reliable source.)
    • Read all of this article with a FREE trial (Ref. 16)
      • In short, I can not confirm what the text says.
        • "His last album, Encore, went to No 1 across the world, selling 11m copies globally, including 1.2m copies in the UK." link
    • Product not found! (Ref. 43) Replaced with this
    • YouTube? (Refs. 73, 74, and 91)
    • ...for Allmusic refs. should be: |work=[[Allmusic]]|publisher=[[Macrovision]] Done
    • ...for MTV refs. should be: |work=[[MTV]]|publisher=[[MTV Networks]] Done
    • Correct code for ref. 151: <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/reviews/id.1050|title=Album Reviews > Trick Trick - The Villain|last=Kuperstein|first=Slava|date=2008-11-10|work=HipHopDX.com|publisher=Cheri Media Group|accessdate=2008-12-31}}</ref> Done
    • Sources looks good, checked with the Checklinks tool. Cannibaloki 17:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. More than one source for some chart positions, I see (the ones at the top of the column, and for some, there is also one in their box.) Tezkag72 14:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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