Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Dutch Athlete of the Year/archive1

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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Dutch Athlete of the Year edit

Featured list candidates/Dutch Athlete of the Year/archive1

Nominator(s): Editør (talk) 22:13, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets the featured list criteria. Editør (talk) 22:13, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

Just a drive-by comment, but I noticed that the list does not currently meet MOS:DTAB. PresN has a boilerplate comment that they usually make about this which can be found here. That will need to be addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:07, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I have added col and row scopes for the tables, hopefully this is in order now. – Editør (talk) 14:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And I've made some additional changes to the tables and the rest of the article. – Editør (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh, it is my understanding that this FLC needs additional votes to be promoted, so I wanted to ask if you would give it another look. – Editør (talk) 16:11, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MyCatIsAChonk

In recent years, the award was presented - since what year? "In recent years" is too vague
I agree this is not very precise. I've copyedited the text so that it now describes the current state of affairs similar to the selection/voting procedure. – Editør (talk) 14:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was renamed to KNAU Cup - the KNAU Cup? If so, add "the" for everytime KNAU is mentioned
I've added the article "the" before "KNAU Cup" in the running text. – Editør (talk) 14:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The references should be properly formatted using Template:Cite web or Template:Cite news; this will ensure consistency and highlight any errors
It seems that you've already formatted them, so I suppose this is no longer an issue. – Editør (talk) 14:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On the topic of refs, the lack thereof is concerning to me- only six refs for this whole award? If there are so few sources about the award, is it notable?
Source #5 is a chapter from a book about the history of athletics in the Netherlands. The chapter lists all the award's winners from 1933 until 1999. The source seemed reliable to me, so I haven't tried to find an individual source for each winner. The winners from 2000 until 2022 come from more recent overviews from the athletics federation organizing the awards (which contain some irregularities for the older winners). To independently demonstrate the subject's notability, I have added (recent) articles from three news organisations De Telegraaf/2022, NOS/2019, and Algemeen Dagblad/2021. Let me know if you think it requires additional sources. – Editør (talk) 14:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On further inspection, I'm not so sure that the information in source #5 is entirely accurate for the period of the Sauer Cup, so I am looking into this now. – Editør (talk) 20:09, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've added individual sources for three tables, I intend to look at the fourth table (48 rows) later. – Editør (talk) 22:07, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've added sources for the fourth table, but it is still missing individual sources for 15 rows. – Editør (talk) 02:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editør, all done, nice work MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 12:11, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments, I will respond to them above. – Editør (talk) 14:19, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Editør, the citations are still not formatted as proper templates. See Wikipedia:Citing sources if you need. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 19:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, I thought you had formatted them, but now I see you've only added archive links. I don't believe that there is information missing in the citations nor that the suggested templates are obligatory, so I would prefer to leave it like this. – Editør (talk) 20:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Editør, using templates just cuts down on errors and makes it easier for bots to handle. Nos you've added many more sources, which is good, but why are some cells missing refs? Take the 1978 row in the "Herman van Leeuwen Cup and KNAU Cup" table: why is there no ref for this? Also, Ref column headers can use Template:Abbr for easier understanding: Ref. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 02:14, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the abbr template. Regarding your question, it's work in progress, see also my comments above. – Editør (talk) 02:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've filled the empty spots with generic sources until individual source are found or become available. – Editør (talk) 03:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough then- support now, great work! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 20:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"as the eponymous Sauer" - can we give this person's full name?
It is not in the source that I found, and I have already searched for it, but I will look for it some more. – Editør (talk) 17:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've found another source (newspaper article from 1990) that mentions that the "Sauer" of the Sauer Cup was a member of the National Socialist Movement (N.S.B.), but no first name or initials are given there either (source, see at the end of the section "Onderscheidingen"). – Editør (talk) 18:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, if sources don't give it than you can't do any more -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Since 2018, this award is merged" => "Since 2018, this award has been merged"
Changed it. – Editør (talk) 17:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"while the award for junior male athletes continued as Albert Spree Cup" => "while the award for junior male athletes continued as the Albert Spree Cup"
Changed it. – Editør (talk) 17:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Sprinter Tinus Osendarp was the first winner in 1933, when it was called Sauer Cup." => "Sprinter Tinus Osendarp was the first winner in 1933, when it was called the Sauer Cup."
Changed it. – Editør (talk) 17:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"In the years between 2011 and 2018, also a separate award for para-athletes existed" => "In the years between 2011 and 2018, a separate award for para-athletes also existed"
Changed it. – Editør (talk) 17:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note 2 should not have a full stop as it is not a sentence
Changed it. – Editør (talk) 17:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments, I will respond to them above. – Editør (talk) 17:39, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. As a note, it's not required, but it can be helpful for readers to add a |trans-title= with a translation of the title to references in non-English languages. --Pres N 18:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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