Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Devin Townsend discography/archive1

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The list was not promoted by Scorpion0422 20:47, 16 June 2009 [1].

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Devin Townsend discography

Nominator(s): Gendralman (talk) 21:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

• Featured list candidates/Devin Townsend discography/archive1
• Featured list candidates/Devin Townsend discography/archive2

I am nominating this for featured list. Gendralman (talk) 21:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Oppose from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) "with a dedicated lineup called The Devin Townsend Band. " I don't understand what a "dedicated lineup" is. His solo albums had arbitrary backup musicians, mainly a varying subset of Strapping Young Lad members, until he founded a band just for his solo music. "Dedicated" meaning permanent, designed for a specific purpose, and committed to a single goal rather than being arbitrarily and tentatively assembled (as in dedicated server). I'll use a different word since it's unclear. —Gendralman (talk) 02:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC) "Townsend has also produced dozens of albums" "In 2007, Townsend disbanded both Strapping Young Lad and The Devin Townsend Band, in order to spend more time"-->In 2007, Townsend disbanded both Strapping Young Lad and The Devin Townsend Band to spend more time "a number of albums for "-->several albums for "Townsend is currently working on a four-album" "with each album being written in a different style"-->in which each album is written in a different style Image captions and notes that aren't complete sentences should not have periods (full stops) at their ends. Is there any reason why there are no chartings for the albums? Dabomb87 (talk) 21:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sources

• Refs 1, 2 and 5 are missing publishers and last access dates in their citations.
• Reference titles should not be in all caps, even if they were like that in the original.
• What makes the following sources reliable?
  • http://heavymetal.about.com/od/interviews/a/strappinginterv.htm
    • About.com is owned by The New York Times Company and certainly has enough editorial control to publish a reliable interview. —Gendralman (talk) 02:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
      • See this discussion, especially the comment by SandyGeorgia (talk · contribs). It's a case-by-by case thing. Is the person who wrote that article an expert in that area? Dabomb87 (talk) 14:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
        • Striking, I see it's an interview so it should be fine. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
  • http://www.insideout.de/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=645
    • This is the record label's web site, I don't think you can do much better for a release date. —Gendralman (talk) 02:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
• Publications such as Billboard should be italicized.
• Refs 3 and 7 are both to the same site, yet they're formatted differently. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I've addressed these issues. —Gendralman (talk) 02:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Truco

Review by Truco (talk · contribs) Lead 'His solo albums had a varying lineup of backup musicians except for Accelerated Evolution (2003) and Synchestra (2006), which were recorded and represented live with a permanent lineup, The Devin Townsend Band.' -- Comma before 'except' 'He participated in two one-off projects in the early 1990s, Punky Brüster and IR8. ' - What does 'one-off' mean? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/one-off –Gendralman (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC) Okay, what about the rest of my comments?--Truco 03:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC) I'll get to that. —Gendralman (talk) 16:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC) 'He has since produced several for other groups, and continues to write and release self-produced albums from his home studio.' -- 'several_____' what? 'Townsend is working on a four-album series called the Devin Townsend Project in which each album is written in a different style.' -- Comma after 'Project' I feel the lead lacks in terms of summarizing his discography, like I see nothing about how his albums charted, etc. Studio albums Notes like, 'Released as The Devin Townsend Band. Special edition release includes the Safe Zone bonus DVD.' Are not complete sentences and do not need sentences, and should instead be formatted as 'Released as The Devin Townsend Band; special edition release includes the Safe Zone bonus DVD' Music videos What verifies the 1997 and 2003 entries? I added a source for the 2003 video. No source exists for the 1997 entry other than the director's blog, so I removed it. —Gendralman (talk) 12:34, 8 June 2009 (UTC) Production credits and involvement on other albums Why aren't the credits capitalized? References There is an inconsistency with the linking of publishers, like for blabbermouth.net.--Truco 16:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC) I've fixed these problems and rewrote the lead. What do you think? —Gendralman (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

• The list itself is in good shape and meets WP:WIAFL. But I'm a bit curious about the situation below regarding listing band projects. --Truco ₅₀₃ 03:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

• For comparison, List of awards and nominations received by Sam Roberts has 24 entries (and is very likely to expand in the future as he's an active performer) and it's about to be delisted and merged. A Strapping Young Lad discography would have no more than 17 entries with no possibility of expansion. I'm willing to split the article if people here are really for it, I just want to make sure it's not going to be merged again in six months. —Gendralman (talk) 14:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose A decent list, but I have some content-issues I'd like to see addressed before I can support. First, when making discographies for individuals who have tended to work within other musical groups, it's usually best to stick just to solo projects, and leave separate band discographies to seperate lists. The Gwen Stefani discography is a good example of this, which clearly avoids listing No Doubt releases. As is Trent Reznor discography, which doesn't list Nine Inch Nails releases. Granted neither of these are Fls, but the concept still applies. So that said, the Strapping Lad stuff should be moved elsewhere. The list would still be fairly large and content-packed, so I think this would only help to focus the list. A link and a mention to a Strapping Lad discog would surely be helpful, but the actual list doesn't belong here.

So, given that change, the list would require a bit of a reorganization, namely splitting the list into sections rather than subsections within each group.

Strapping was essentially a Townsend solo project, he wrote and produced everything. Plus the band only has ten releases and no singles. Compared to Nine Inch Nails discography and No Doubt discography it just feels thin. The FLC criteria say to use stand-alone lists if they "could not reasonably be included as part of a related article"; do you really think Strapping can't be reasonably included in this list? —Gendralman (talk) 16:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Secondly, the disclaimer "As archival policy varies, chart information may be incomplete." worries me. FLC requires a list to be complete, so this seems like a misstep right off the bat. One solution may be to specify which lists in particular have odd archival policies (via a footnote or something like that) and exactly what those peculiarities are, rather than a blanket disclaimer that puts all the charts into question. I'm not sure if this would fix the inherent problem of the list being incomplete, but some more transparency would be a step in the right direction.

I agree, I will clarify it. The notice really applies to the UK Indie Chart and UK Rock Chart. They aren't made to the public in any way except through the BBC web site which does not keep archives, and the company refuses to release historical charts, so the information simply doesn't exist as far as I can tell.

As for the "inherent problem", the actual FL criterion is "It comprehensively covers the defined scope, providing at least all of the major items and, where practical, a complete set of items; where appropriate, it has annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about the items." I interpret "complete set of items" to be "complete list of albums/singles/videos", and the charting information to fall under "annotations". No discography is complete in terms of charting information, as there's so many obscure charts like the UK genre charts that aren't included in any discography. The article is complete and up-to-date with all the charts on WP:GOODCHARTS, which are the only charts included on e.g. Metallica discography, so that should be sufficient. —Gendralman (talk) 16:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I have a few more qualms and quibbles, but I'll hold off on the minor stuff until if and when the above is addressed. Drewcifer (talk) 05:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

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