Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Bon Jovi discography/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 23:00, 12 March 2010 [1].

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Bon Jovi discography

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Nominator(s): Savvi72 (talk) 14:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I have done extreme work on it for several months to ensure it is up to FA quality. The information available is extensive and everything has been referenced. A recent peer review found very little wrong with the article and whatever problems were found have now been fixed. Savvi72 (talk) 14:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

• Shouldn't this rather be a featured list candidate, like all other discographies which are currently featured? Ucucha 14:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
• Agree with Ucucha, should be a Featured List Candidate. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Sorry, was unaware of the different types of featured pages. It's my first time nominating an article. Thanks for shifting it! Savvi72 (talk) 14:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
• Thanks to Gimmetrow, it is now a featured list candidate. I just checked and the page has no disambiguation links, no dead external links, and good alt text. Ucucha 14:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Don't think we should have bold links, per WP:MOSBOLD. The intro line doesn't include the vast number of singles. "first appeared on the music scene" really? Or do you mean that was when they first had a charting release? "which made small impact" "a small impact"? "platinum" or "Platinum"? " smash hit " - not encyclopedic. "grammy award" that should be "Grammy Award" "As of November 2009" it's Feb 2010 now, any update? No explanation of what the en-dash means in the position cells. Estimated Sales->sales. En-dash should be used for year range. Remove space between notes and what it's noting, e.g. "the Pain" [C]" should be "the Pain"[C]" "One Wild Night Live 1985-2001" en-dash. "2×Platinum" or "2× Platinum"? be consistent. "#44." please check the WP:MOS, I believe we actively discourage the use of the hash for this. "Austria (#9)[20], Sweden (#25)[23], Japan (#37)[1] and Switzerland (#46)[24]." per above but also refs go after punctuation, not before. Refs need work: 30 is in German and doesn't cite the info needed. 41 has a spare . 40 needs a capital S for Spanish. 58 needs en-dashes. 61 has no info other than the URL/title. What makes clipland.com reliable? Plenty of hyphens instead of en-dashes being used. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC) Fixed! Thanks a lot for your comments/observations The Rambling Man. Everything has now been fixed with one exception; The directors of the videos "Runaway", "If I Was Your Mother" and "Wanted Dead or Alive 2003" remain unknown (although I am working to find the information). As for Clipland.com being a reliable source... It has been a source of information for not only music videos, but also TV commercials, movie trailers and short films since 1998. It is one of the largest databases of short film media on the internet and has the largest online music video database for such information. I have checked and the information on clipland.com can be verified on VH1 and MTV websites. Hopefully you can now review your initial opposing stance. Thanks again. Savvi72 (talk) 09:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC) Runaway has no director. Nor does If I was your mother nor does Wanted dead or alive 2003. If you can't find them then at least don't just leave the cells blank, and probably you should add a note. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC) I mentioned earlier that I added the director of "Runaway" but I have now also found the director of "If I was Your Mother". Only one more to go. I will fill in the blank cell as you mentioned. Thanks again :) Savvi72 (talk) 02:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC) Nevermind. All fixed! Savvi72 (talk) 06:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. Chart Stats should not be used as a source. Goodraise 00:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Chart Stats is allowed as a source. It is even mentioned on the Wikipedia:Charts page. This source is also used on already featured lists such as the Madonna singles discography and the Pink discography. Despite this, I have added an extra source for the UK chart positions (but have still left Chart Stats). Thanks for taking the time to comment. Savvi72 (talk) 02:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
    • Wikipedia:Record charts is a style guideline. Discussing reliability of sources is not its job. Even if it was, it would be trumped by Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability. As far as I can tell, Chart Stats satisfies neither. As for the other featured lists, you're welcome to fix those as well. I'm sorry, but as long as Chart Stats is used, I'm remaining opposed. Goodraise 10:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
      • Thanks for pointing out those two wiki articles. I'll give them a deeper read. I have now completely replaced the Chart Stats source with the official source I added earlier. Thanks again for taking the time to comment! Much appreciated. Savvi72 (talk) 11:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
• EveryHit.com only covers the top 40 places. The lower peak positions will need to be removed or sourced differently (preferably the later). Goodraise 04:08, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Fixed using The complete book of the British charts: singles & albums as a source. The data in the book is taken from the Official UK chart from 1952 onwards. A preview of the book can be viewed using Google Books (check the citation for a direct link).Savvi72 (talk) 10:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
    • Okay, but according to the citation, the book was released in 2004. Can you make sure that the 2004 box set 100,000,000 Bon Jovi Fans Can't Be Wrong is covered? Then there's the 2007 single "Lost Highway". What is the source for that? Goodraise 14:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
      • Ah no worries! Fixed again! Savvi72 (talk) 14:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Oppose from Truco

General

• Everything checks out using the toolbox tools to the right.

Lead

• Billboard should be italicized in every occurrence because it is a magazine.
• Released in 1986, the album became Bon Jovi's best-selling album worldwide selling over 25 million copies. comma before 'selling'
• It reached number one in Australia, Canada and US where it spent 94 weeks in the Billboard 200 album chart, reaching 12× platinum status. -- 1)it should be the US 2)There are a variety of ways to place commas but it should have a comma after Canada in this case because the reader will not be confused as to where it spent 94 weeks on 3)'on the' not 'in the' 4)the platinum status was certified by whom?
• The follow up album to Slippery When Wet was New Jersey which shared similar global success. The album produced five top 10 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 giving Bon Jovi the record for the most top 10 singles spawned by a rock album -- Comma before which ...comma before giving...is this record still held by them?
• It produced the top 10 hit "Bed of Roses" while the title track hit number one on the Mainstream Rock Tracks. link to the title track
• The album fared better internationally than in the United States, but still managed to reach Platinum status by the RIAA. -- Be consistent with acronyms, since you used acronyms for the US beforehand, maintain that consistency. In addition, spell out the RIAA acronym.
• Following the tour of the album, the members of the band went their separate ways. --> Following the tour of the album, the group disbanded. (this also needs a source)
• It became the band's fifth and fourth consecutive number one album in Australia and UK respectively and reached double platinum in the United States. -- 1)Since you haven't mentioned the UK beforehand, it should be the United Kingdom 2)Comma before and after 'respectively' 3)Consistency with US/United States
• The success of the album was largely due to the lead single "It's My Life" which was nominated for a Grammy Award for Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group while the album itself was nominated for Best Rock Album. -- comma before while
• This record was beaten however with the band's ninth studio album Have a Nice Day in 2005. -- comma before and after however
• The title track was an international hit reaching the top 10 in Australia, Europe and UK. -- 1)Link to title track 2)comma before reaching 3)'the UK'
• Another track, "Who Says You Can't Go Home", reached number one on the US Billboard Hot Country Songs after being remixed into a country duet with Jennifer Nettles. -- the "US" isn't necessary since its a US based chart, unless other wise noted.
• The album became the first Bon Jovi album to debut at number one in the United States, making it the band's first number one album in their home-country since the late eighties. -- the second number one should be number one and remain consistent with US/United States
• Although the album achieved great success, winning them a Grammy nomination for best Pop Vocal Album,[13] the band returned to their rock roots in 2009 with their eleventh studio album The Circle. --> Although the album achieved great success, including a Grammy nomination for best Pop Vocal Album,[13] the band returned to their rock roots in 2009 with their eleventh studio album The Circle.
• The album also debuted at number one on the Billboard Hot 100, making it the band's fourth number one album in the United States. -- second 'number one' should be number one, and remain consistent with US/United States

Other charted songs

• Please Come Home for Christmas" was originally credited as a solo recording by Jon Bon Jovi when included on the Christmas compilation A Very Special Christmas 2 in 1992, but when released as a single in UK, Ireland and Europe in 1994 it was released under the band name. - 'the UK'
• The country version of "Who Says You Can't Go Home" with Jennifer Nettles peaked at #1 on the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart. -- Only BillBoard should be italicized.

Live performances

• Emdash for the empty cell.

References

• Do not link publisher that don't have links to articles on Wikipedia, for consistency.
• Link all publishers that do have articles on Wikipedia, either on every occurrence or at their first appearance.--Truco ₅₀₃ 19:51, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for taking the time to go through the page. Everything you have mentioned is now fixed! Savvi72 (talk) 13:53, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Oh that must be a new one because it never came up before. Thanks for that! Now fixed. Savvi72 (talk) 01:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

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