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Akshay Kumar filmography edit

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Nominator(s): Skr15081997 (talk) 08:59, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because the filmography gives a good summary of Akshay Kumar's extensive career in the Hindi film industry. Issues raised during the previous FLC have been addressed. All helpful comments on improvement are welcome.Skr15081997 (talk) 08:59, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • The captions are all basically saying "Kumar at _____", very repetitious
Changed
  • "Kumar was initially signed for a lead role by producer Pramod Chakravorty for the film, Deedar (1992) but made his acting debut in the 1987 Mahesh Bhatt-directed Aaj"..... this detail would be better in Kumar's main page rather than here. Just say Aaj was his debut and later mention his role in Deedar.
Changed
  • "The following year he starred"..... add a comma after "year"
Done
  • "many of the films he starred in during 1997–99 performed poorly at the box office"..... give names of such films
I have mentioned a few of his flop films.
  • "Kumar's career prospects improved"..... something about this just doesn't come across as professional writing
Changed
  • "In the same year he received a nomination".... again, add comma after "year"
Done
  • "In the same year he presented the television series" → "That year, he presented"
Thanks for the suggestion.
  • "His role in the comedy, Garam Masala, earned him"..... remove the commas
Removed
  • "appeared in comedy drama, Housefull 2, and action comedy Rowdy Rathore" → "appeared in the comedies Housefull 2 and Rowdy Rathore"
Thanks again.
  • "satirical comedy drama, Oh My God"..... remove the comma
Removed
  • "The following year he starred in heist thriller Special 26"..... once again, comma after "year"
Added
  • "Indiatimes" should link to Times Internet, and only link this on the first ref used for this site
Fixed, now it links only on first occurrence.
  • Digital Spy should not be italicized, and I'd try to replaced this if possible. Not saying it's bad, just saying there's even better sources that could be used.
Replaced.
  • What makes "Bollywood Hungama" or "Sify" reliable sources?

Sorry, but this is not up to par. Better luck next time. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:48, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Both BH and Sify are considered reliable sources for India related articles. Many FAs and FLs use them. I have fixed the usage of comma everywhere in the lead.--Skr15081997 (talk) 06:00, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@SNUGGUMS: I've also checked above and they seem to be met. I've not used BH or Sify before but Bollywood Hungama has been used extensively in various FLs including recent ones like Hrithik Roshan filmography, Shah Rukh Khan filmography, and Aishwarya Rai Bachchan filmography. Sify was used in Hrithik Roshan and Aishwarya's filmography also. Have another look and suggest further improvements for Skr. Cowlibob (talk) 09:59, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the delay. This looks better now, particularly the lead. Let's go through ref's again:
Added
Added
  • Is "Koimoi" reliable?
Replaced
  • Remove "Press Trust of India" from FN20 so it matches the other Rediff links
changed |agency to |author
I was admittedly skeptical about this becoming FL, but it seems to have a chance now..... Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:01, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 21:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Quick comments
  • " in Pramod Chakravorty-produced..." etc. Maybe it's an ENGVAR thing, but it would read much better in each instance if it said "in the .... -produced..." (just as you have "in the Umesh Shukla-directed " for instance).
Done
  • Garam Masala in the lead isn't linked correctly.
Corrected
  • His company is called "Grazing Goat Productions".
Corrected
  • Headings, you have some plural (e.g. Television appeareances) and some singular (e.g. Feature film). Be consistent.
Changed all to singular
  • Isn't K. Subhash actually K. Subash?
Fixed
  • You have an en-dash and an Unknown in the Role column, what's the difference?
Now only dash is being used
  • Probably need an "as of" for the films that are, as yet, unreleased.
This looks like a very good idea but none of the filmography FLs use it.
That's not really relevant. I would suggest using it to make sure we know when the details were accurate to. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Host for Season 1, 2 and 4." etc, why the full stops all of a sudden?
Removed
  • Avoid SHOUTING in the refs.
Fixed

The Rambling Man (talk) 08:30, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think all of the above issues have been addressed. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 12:41, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Krimuk90
  • In the film section, please restrict the award nominations to National Film and Filmfare Awards, to maintain consistency with all other Indian actor filmography tables.
  • Why are some talk show appearances mentioned in the television section? Surely, Kumar has appeared in many, many more than the ones mentioned. I personally don't think they shouldn't be included here as they aren't exactly part of his film or television "work".
  • Also, in the television section it will be more beneficial to include the creator and/or producer information than the channel.
Will be happy to support when these points are addressed. Good job! -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 05:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(Dipping in regarding the above):

  • I think the awards are fine as they are: if he hs recieved awards from notable organisations (i.e. if we have an article about them), then the list is incomplete without the awards. Consistency between articles means little if it means we end up misleading by omission.
  • I also think the talk show appearances are fine (I have them in a number of my lists), but opinions differ on the point).
  • I am not sure that creator and/or producer information tell us anything about the programme. "Channel" is far more common in television lists, than excess amounts of other people connected to a programme.

- SchroCat (talk) 07:17, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SchroCat The reason why I want to limit the awards is because there are more than 10 different awarding organisations in India, and Kumar has won awards from several of these. This particular list talks about Filmfare and IIFA, but omits the rest. My understanding is that we limit the awards to the most notable ones in this particular list, which are the National And Filmfare Awards, as the full list is already mentioned in his awards page. About the talk shows, why cherry-pick only Koffee with Karan when Kumar has appeared in many other notable ones. Either we mention all notable talk shows, or don't mention them altogether. I agree that the creater/producer information is not all that important, so the channel information is alright. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 09:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) x 2 In terms of the awards and the talk shows, I would include all or none. The only caveat to that would be that the awards have to be notable enough to have their own article here to meet out notability thresholds. So, if he has won awards from all 10 notable organisations, we should include all 10 notable awards. I certainly wouldn't put OR into deciding which are the "most notable". Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:09, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the edit conflicts. Anyway, what you say is totally understandable. But with regards to the awards, why would we want to include all the awards in this list too when there is already a separate page for them? I don't mean to argue over this, but just want it to be cleared is all to avoid similar conflicts in other filmographies. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 09:28, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ah - I missed the link to the awards page. In that case, I'd remove all the awards from this table (not the lead tho) on the same basis: you have to have all or none. - SchroCat (talk) 09:40, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Krimuk90: I'd back SchroCat on this. For filmography articles, the note section should not include awards won if a separate awards article is present as it's just repetition. Of course, you can still mention the major awards in the lead so nothing of value is lost. Cowlibob (talk) 17:20, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Cowlibob: I have removed the information regarding awards and nominations from the notes column. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 13:40, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Krimuk90: I have removed the information regarding the IIFA and Asian Film Awards nominations. Talk show appearances have also been removed. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:13, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Opinions may vary on the awards, but this version has my support. Good job! -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 05:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"In 2014, he starred in the action thriller Holiday: A Soldier Is Never Off Duty, which became his third film to gross over ₹100 crore (US$13 million) at the box office." Add domestic after "over ₹100 crore (US$13 million) at the" as he has featured in more than three films which has grossed over ₹100 crore (US$13 million) (internationally). Correct me if I am wrong.--FrankBoy (Buzz) 12:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@FrB.TG: The given source doesn't specify the domestic-international box-office fact. Hence I have just added that it was his 3rd film to earn more than 100 crores. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 16:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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