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2020 in cue sports

Featured list candidates/2020 in cue sports/archive1

Nominator(s): Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because the 2020 year of cue sports was severely damaged, with only the bare minimum of events being held. Whilst there was only a handful of pool and billiard events held, the World Snooker Tour was mostly uninterupted, with most events continuing albiet postponed. Please see 2018 in cue sports and 2019 in cue sports, which are both FL. I welcome any thoughts on how to improve this page. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Kavyansh.Singh

Every table needs a caption (although 2 tables have); I would suggest adding captions to all, with SR only template.
- Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fix the disambiguation link in the lead (Masters)
- Whoops, good catch. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Suggesting you to link all the websites/news organizations, etc. in the citations (like Sky Sports, Union Mondiale de Billard, etc.)
- I dislike linking to work organisations, so I don't do it in any article I work on. My understanding is that this simply needs to be consistent. Let me know if I have accidently linked some. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair enough; I don't see any links to work organizations (didn't checked thoroughly) – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Images – The only image in the article is suitably licenced (CC-by-sa 4.0), and the article has ALT text. I see no issues. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd usually try and wingarm some more images into it, but there were so few events, it was a little difficult. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski – That's all I got, maybe you can fix them. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look Kavyansh.Singh! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski – Thanks for fixing all the issues (though, there weren't many) in a short period of time. I doubt whether writing date as "February 20 – 22nd" is consistent in the article. Rest seems fine to me, and I support this list for promotion as a Featured List. Great work! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"professional tournaments surrounding table-top cue sports." - the word "surrounding" looks a bit odd here. Why not simply "in table-top cue sports"?
The lead has three consecutive sentences that start "The snooker season.....the season....the season". Any way to mix this up a bit?
"The season featured events being played in January and February before tournaments being discontinued" - there's definitely something up with the grammar here - "being" doesn't look right there
"The other Triple Crown events, the UK Championship and Masters were won" - need a comma after Masters to close off the clause
"There was just one event, the Treviso Open, with an event for both men and women" - event/event - maybe change the second one to competition or tournament?
"For the event, (m) refers to men' and" - missing s after the apostrophe
"Non-ranking event" - events, surely, as there are four entries in the table?
THat's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:16, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for taking a look ChrisTheDude, I've covered all of these. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm still seeing "The year featured events played in January and February before tournaments being discontinued for all disciplines", which doesn't make grammatical sense..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:25, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - ....also "an tournament for both men and women" should be "a tournament", but it's also occurred to me that "a tournament for both men and women" suggests that it was a single tournament which everyone could enter. Maybe "with tournaments for men and women"? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - No issue Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"The year featured events played in January and February before tournaments being discontinued for all disciplines, and the World Snooker Tour returning in June without an audience." - the grammar in this sentence still needs to be fixed
"with a tournaments for both men and women" => "with tournaments for both men and women"
I also just noticed (apologies for not spotting this before) that there's inconsistent use of spacing around the dashes in date ranges.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- This should be covered now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:49, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - That tricky sentence in the lead still wasn't right, but I just fixed that and am now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from MWright96

"These events include snooker, pool disciplines and billiards. Whilst these are traditionally singles sports, some matches and tournaments are held as doubles, or team events." - repetition of "events"
- Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"The snooker season runs between May and April, whilst the pool and billiards seasons run in the calendar year." - repetition of the word "run(s)"
- Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Cue sports events were played in January and February, before tournaments were discontinued for all disciplines due to the pandemic, with events returning in June without an audience." - repetition of the word "events"
- Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Consider using the date table sorting template in the date(s) column in each of the relevant tables
"For the event, (m) refers to the men's and (f) to the women's tournament." - think there is a word missing after the word highlighted in bold
- Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"The World Snooker Tour generally begins in July and ends in May, however due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the 2019–20 snooker season ended in August," - needs to be verified by a reliable citation(s) since none of this is mentioned in the WST source used after this sample of text
- added a cite Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"whereas the 2020–21 snooker season begin" - spelling error
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Ronnie O'Sullivan won his sixth World Snooker Championship, defeating Kyren Wilson in the final." - needs to be verified by a reliable source
- Added source from table Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Judd Trump defeats Jack Lisowski 10–7" - past tense, please
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please be consistent in how the works/publishers in the references are presented. For example, there is a mix of World Snooker as either in the work field or in the publisher field
- Should now be all as website. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 39 ""Challenge Tour 9 (2020) - snooker.org" - the hyphen should be replaced by an en dash per MOS:DASH
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 44 "Results (Belgian Women's Open 2020) - snooker.org". - same issue as above
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is all I found on a first pass MWright96 (talk) 10:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should be all done now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you have anything more for me MWright96? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:57, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Lee Vilenski: The Data table sorting template will need to be used for the dates in each of the three snooker sortable tables so that the dates can be sorted in the correct order MWright96 (talk) 12:50, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - This should now be up to date MWright96 Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nothing more from yours truly :) MWright96 (talk) 14:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Tables should use row scopes as well as col scopes.

- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm seeing a lot of spaced en-dashes for date ranges, they should be unspaced if in the same month, e.g. December 1 – 4 should be December 1–4.
- I had that originally, but above someone asked me to change it; I have changed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"the COVID-19 pandemic" there's a pandemic article.
- linked Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:25, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Could link "without an audience" to Behind closed doors (sport).
- For what it's worth, I don't really like that term, as the doors are always closed. But I have linked. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Surely the Scottish Open and Sydney Open billiard tournaments are notable?? If not, should they be here?
- Yeah, totally notable. I do find it unlikely anyone would create the articles in the near future, however. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Should still be linked. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - I had linked them Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:25, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"For the list now, (m) refers" is "For the list now" needed?
- I'd rather not start the sentence with (m), do you have a different version? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
General. I think it might be better to split winner/runner-up/result in their own columns so sorting can be done by individual players.
- Yeah, I don't think that's a bad idea. That might take a little bit of time to incorporate. Bare with me. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Working Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 6 compare azbilliards.com to other refs with the same source...
- Now consistent Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 14: SHOUTING, and publisher/work info missing.
- Fixed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 4 vs ref 17 Sky Sports formatting.
- Now consistent. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mildly surprised there's no navigation box for X in cue sports articles...
- Yeah, I did have a succession box, but that isn't really suitable. There is only three articles, we don't have 2017 in cue sports for example, as they are covered by 2017 in sports. I'd like to go back through and do this for all years, but its a huge, huge project. Is a navbox for three articles suitable? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick jaunt through, that's what stuck out to me. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:33, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Ditto for this one matey Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Don't worry, I'll support before the end of the WikiCup! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from BennyOnTheLoose

I'm a bit late to this, so not much to add.

"Whilst these are traditionally singles sports, some matches and tournaments are held as doubles or as teams" is unsourced.
- Added a cite. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"the pool and billiards seasons is played over the calendar year." is unsourced
- reworded. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"the pool and billiards seasons is played" - "the pool and billiards seasons are played"
- Same as above Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"The year of 2020 included professional tournaments in table-top cue sports." Seems slightly odd phrasing to me, would something like "Professional tournaments in table-top cue sports took place in 2020." be better? Not a required change.
- Changed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
" returning in June without an audience." - isn't this specific to professional snooker?
- It's a generalisation, to say that professional cue sports returned. Whilst we only list snooker events, there were some minor cue sports events that also took place post pandemic. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"the only professional world championship held during the year," is unsourced - is this because it summarises some of the article content?
- That's right Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably the English Amateur Championship is excluded by the list criteria, but the 100th staging of the oldest tournament in Snooker took place in 2020.
- Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:54, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - The intro text ends with a comma, how about adding that it was the 100th staging? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:13, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Food idea, done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pool: "encapsulates" - I'll again defer to people with better language skills, but how about "encompasses"?
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pool: "The only major international pool competition that took place during the year was the Mosconi Cup played in December." - not supported by source, IMO.
- It's more of a summary of the info, I could remove the cite? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't think there's a source that verifies "The only major international pool competition" at the moment, either remove or add a source. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:13, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Removed and reworded. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Euro Tour: "The Euro Tour is a professional nine-ball series run across Europe by the European Pocket Billiard Federation." is unsourced
- sourced Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:54, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Euro Tour: "There was just one event" - how is this verified by the source?
- How doesn't it? I have fixed the url though. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - OK, I'm happy to accept that the source lists all Euro Tour events. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:13, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Billiards: David Causier, not "David Cauldier"
- done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Women's Events: No introductory line, unlike other sections.#
- added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:30, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- I have covered the above BennyOnTheLoose/. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:54, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to Support now. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:46, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @WP:FLC director and delegates: , is there anything more I need to do with this nomination? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like we still need a source review here. I'd do one myself, but I don't have much knowledge about what cue sport sites are reliable sources. I've listed it as needing a source check, and hopefully one of the regular reference reviewers will quickly take care of it. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --Pres N 01:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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