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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 18:02, 14 February 2009 [1].

2008 World Series of Poker results edit

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The next go at an FLC from WP:POKER. This list has a completely different format than previous ones, so I'm not sure what to expect here.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 07:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
Done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 16:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • All images need to be in their correct place. The photo of Hinkle should be within that section (Event 2), not right above it.
Not done. I ended up having todo that due to formatting issues. When I put the images below the break for the individual event, there was lot of over lap of images pushing into the next event. See this for an example. By putting the images first, I kept the images correct and was able to improve the formatting.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 16:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What? That example is pushing the images way too low, below the information. They only need to be below the header, which will not overlap. And this is part of WP:MOS#images. Put the photo within the relevant section, not the one before it. Reywas92Talk 18:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 04:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Pretty good. I don't see any other major problems. Reywas92Talk 15:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

  • The 2008 World Series of Poker was the 39th annual World Series of Poker (WSOP). - "2008 World Series of Poker" is not the title of the article, so it should not be bolded. I would recommend linking it to the proper article (without the bold).
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • As has been the WSOP custom since 1976, each of the event winners received a championship bracelet in addition to that event's prize money, which (after the casino's rake) ranged from $87,929 to $9,119,517. - the first part is confusing how about "As a WSOP custom since 1976,"
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it correct to capitalize Main Event?
Yes a quick web search will validate that 90+ percent of the cases which use WSOP and Main Event will capitalize it. It isn't a main event, it is the Main Event.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ; the Main Event was resumed on November 9, and concluded with the heads-up final between Peter Eastgate and Ivan Demidov the next day. - remove the comma
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Omaha is version of poker wherein each player is dealt four hole cards, must use two of them in conjunction with three community cards to make the best possible five card hand. - the comma should be replaced with "and"
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Considering that 55 entries are listed, a more thorough summary should be given IMO to the list.
Query I actually considered adding a glossary section wherein I defined the terms in a little more detail, do you think that would be helpful? If so, should the glossary go at the start or end of the list?
No not really, thats what links are for. In this statement I meant that because there are 55 entries (55 things listed) it is best to summarize these 55 things in the lead/prose (writing)--TRUCO 17:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not really sure I agree/am on the same page here. Perhaps I'm being a little dense, but with 55 events, if I were to summarize them all, wouldn't that would essentially create a list of poorly written prose? Event 1 was a $10,000 Pot-Limit Hold'em event won by Nenad Medic. Event 2 was a $1,500 No Limit Tournament won by Grant Hinkle. Event 3 was a $1,500 Pot-Limit Hold'em event won by David Singer. Seems very redundant and counter the purpose of having a list. Would create some very dry prose, that wouldn't be, IMO, befitting the best WP has to offer.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 06:24, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I meant like a small brief prose summary of the events, not necessarily summarizing each one, like summarizing the most significant ones and a brief summary that can say something about most of the 55 events.--TRUCO 21:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the second paragraph already does this. On a similar point, wouldn't it make sense to switch around the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs? The explanation of the events should come before the summary of the list. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In a way, I guess. But its fine since this is a big list. Dabombs comment should be resolved before I cap and support.--TRUCO 21:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done---I'm Spartacus! PoppaBalloon 17:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa there... :S Dabomb87 (talk) 19:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is the Whoa There because of the name change or did I miss something ;-) ---I'm Spartacus! PoppaBalloon 19:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, it was the name change. That was ... unexpected, to say the least :) Dabomb87 (talk) 19:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consistency is needed in the entry dates: a comma is needed after the "Month Day" followed by the "Year" (add comma in between for all entries)
Done---I'm Spartacus! PoppaBalloon 06:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some of the images need to be decreased, some are very large like the Mike Matusow one.
  • In the key: Denotes a bracelet winner. The first number is the number of bracelets won in the 2008 WSOP. The second number is the total number of bracelets won. Both numbers represent totals as of that point during the tournament. - needs to be reworded because the first sentence is not a complete clause.
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • What place they finished - who is they?
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The people who made it to the final table - wouldn't it be "players" versus people
  • For the references, the publisher is not WorldSeriesofPoker.com the publisher is "World Series of Poker"
    • No the work is World Series of Poker, the publisher is Harrah's Entertainment. When I wrote it out originally, I missed the work, so I added it.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 06:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In ref #24, why is the ref have the publisher of Harrah's Entertainment and not "World Series of Poker" (the first one in that ref)
  • Some of the {{cite web}} templates aren't filled out properly, but I'll let the source reviewer check those out, because at a glance some of them aren't filled out correctly like the difference between the "Work" and "Publisher" field.--TRUCO 17:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Feel free to comment on those issues yourself, you don't need my consent. :) Dabomb87 (talk) 02:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why thank you, I think I will ;-) ---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What about the rest of my comments?--TRUCO 17:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't forgotten, I didn't work on WP much last night... and most of the other changes are the types that I need to atually work on (EG some of the changes I can do at work during quick five minute breaks... but the rest... hopefully this evening.)---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 17:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "All events but the $10,000 World Championship No Limit Texas hold 'em Main Event, the most prestigious of the WSOP events, ended by July 15." How is the most prestigious?
    • ??? I'm not sure what your question is, but the Main Event is easily the most prestigious of all poker tournaments.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 06:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Prior to"-->Before.
  • "and made three final tables, as recipient of the Player of the Year Award." Unclear, did he win the bracelet and make the tables because he received the Player of the Year Award?
  • "At the other extreme, Phil Helmuth, a Poker Hall of Famer, set new records for the most WSOP cashes (68) and most WSOP final tables (41)." That opening clause is a bit confusing, what do you mean by "At the other extreme"?
  • "concluded with the heads-up final" Is there a link to "heads-up"?
  • "Most of the tournaments played at the WSOP today are variants of Texas Hold 'em."-->Most of the tournaments played at the WSOP are variants of Texas hold 'em.
  • "Phil Helmuth"-->Phil Hellmuth
  • "7 card stud"-->seven-card stud
  • "in contrast to poker variants like"-->in contrast to poker variants such as
  • "draw where each player "-->draw in which each player
  • "Omaha is version of poker" Missing "a".
  • WP:CAPTION, image captions that are not complete sentences should not have periods at the end.
  • "Roland de Wolfe"-->Roland De Wolfe
  • "J.C. Tran"-->J. C. Tran
  • "Galfond after winning the $5,000 Pot-Limit Omaha w/Rebuys." Don't use shorthand such as "w/". Dabomb87 (talk) 01:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • What makes http://web.archive.org/web/20061123021244/http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issue21/clark0906.html a reliable source?
    • Two Plus Two Publishing is arguably the biggest poker publisher in the world. It was founded by Mason Malmuth and has published books by almost all of the major poker writers. The cite is so well respected, that poker blogs on the cite would have the value of a blog written by an editor or writer for a major newspaper/tv station/etc. An online magazine that bears the name of Two Plus Two, would be one just as reliable as (if not more so) than All-in Magazine or Cardplayer Magazine or Bluff Magazine. (Heck, the cite has so much prestige, that I once cited a comment from a Forum post!! Granted, the comment was made by Mason Malmuth and was a post explaining current legislation they were engaged in.) In short, 2+2, is without a doubt one of the top publishers on poker.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 06:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Publications should be in italics. For example, ref 4, "CardPlayer.com" is unnecessary. Just put Card Player Magazine. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • In this case, CardPlayer.com is the work, CardPlayer Magazine is the Publisher.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 06:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 12 needs a publisher.

Comments

  • Nice lead section. It introduces the game well, and I could understand it, even though I've never played a game
  • All events but the $10,000 World Championship No Limit Texas hold 'em Main Event, the most prestigious of the WSOP events, ended by July 15. Perhaps say when that finished too because if it finished after July 15, wouldn't that be the last day of the competition?
    • Reworded. The competition was during the summer, but one event was suspended until November.
  • that event's prize money, which (after the casino's rake) ranged from $87,929 to $9,119,517. perhaps say here which games' prize totals were $87,929 and $9,119,517.
  • Since this is a World Championship, it might be worth mentioning that prize money is in US Dollars?
  • Over past decade -- probably supposed to be "Over the past decade"? Also, although this page is one-year-specific, "the past decade" may seem aged (and even incorrect) in five or ten years.
  • Or it may include variations on the rules -- I may be wrong, but I don't think sentences are supposed to begin with "Or"
  • Perhaps check with User:Ealdgyth, but I think some references may need re-formatting:
    • Contacted Ealdgyth for guidance.---I'm Spartacus! The artist formerly known as Balloonman
    • References should use the same date format as in the prose of the page, in this case mmmm dd, yyyy, not the ISO yyyy-mm-dd format
    • Refs such as #1, where the publisher is given as WorldSeriesofPoker.com, need only be "World Series of Poker". Linking to the Wikipedia article is preferred but not required IIRC. I think that should be the work, too, with Harrah's being named as the publisher
    • Names of websites (Pokerpages.com, Pokernews.com, Pokerlisting.com etc), should not be italicised, per WP:ITALICS
    • Refs 7 through 61 have three references in each reference. At one of my FACs I was told not to bunch citations into one reference. I don't know if this has changed though.

Otherwise it looks okay. Regards, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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