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The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 2:13, 19 December 2020 (UTC) [1].

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Gilwell Park

Notified: Orcalols, WP England, WP Scouting, 6 November 2020

Review section

Per RetiredDuke's unanswered talk page comments about two weeks ago, this 2006 promotion is no longer up to par. Rogers is cited about 30 times with the same 40-odd pages page range, this appears to be just about the entire book based on an Amazon search. There is significant uncited text. There are one or two other books cited without a page range (the two Rogers books cited may actually be the same thing). I'm doubting that Pine Tree Web is particularly reliable, and Wood Badge.org may not be a high-quality RS. Personally, I find the extremely heavy reliance on Scouting Association-published materials a bit worrisome, since the organization runs this as a camp. We need some more independent sources for FA. Personally, I consider statements such as Ferryman Field is a split-level field located to the North of the site, suitable for 'back to basics' camping due to its wooded nature and distance from facilities to be flirting with promotionalism by stating what type of groups something is suitable for, especially since this is cited to the Scouts Association. Outdated statements throughout, such as Gilwell Park provides The Scout Association with over £1,000,000 a year through conference fees, accommodation fees, and sales of materials which is cited to a 2005 source. The statement of The site can accommodate events up to 10,000 people, and regularly does so at Scouting events throughout the year. in the lead does not appear to be mentioned in the body. In my opinion, this needs significant work to be brought back up to FA status. I did not notify the original FAC nominator as they are retired and their user talk page is admin-protected, so I cannot edit it. Hog Farm _Bacon 03:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Let me start by saying that I, Bduke, am no relation or even known to RetiredDuke. I agree with the above criticism, but I want to point out that Gilwell Park is the centre of Scout Leader training in the world. People come from all over the world to attend Leader Training Courses there. A Wood Badge, which leader training gives you from a course there, is valued all over the world. The article does not reflect this. Gilwell Park is used by local scouts from London and scouts from across the UK, but the real importance of Gilwell Park is that it is the world centre of leader training. If it does not reflect this important role, it certainly is not a good article. --Bduke (talk) 09:46, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

• Move to FARC, one edit since nomination.[2] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
• Move to FARC - Issues not being worked on, and are significant. Hog Farm _Bacon 17:56, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

FARC section

Issues raised in the review section largely concern sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Delist - significant issues, nothing happening. Hog Farm _Bacon 05:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
• Delist. Tagged for citations needed. Unsourced statements, paragraphs and sections. Short, stubby paragraphs; mixture of American and British spelling. DrKay (talk) 14:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
• Delist, significant issues unaddressed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:40, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
• Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:13, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

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