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The article was promoted by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 6 September 2019 [1].

When You Get a Little Lonely edit

Nominator(s): Aoba47 (talk) 02:19, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone! The above article is a country album by Maureen McCormick, an American actress best known for Marcia Brady in the sitcom The Brady Bunch. It was released on April 4, 1995, through the label Phantom Hill. McCormick wanted to use the album to break away from her Marcia Brady image, but it received mainly negative reviews and did not appear on any chart. In a 2008 interview, she said she was disappointed by restrictions to the album's recording process; McCormick as continued to perform country music and has participated in the reality television show Gone Country.

I had previously nominated this article for an FAC, although that nomination was far too premature. Fortunately, I found a significant amount of coverage through Newspapers.com to further expand the article, and I now believe it is ready for the FAC process. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Thank you in advance and have a great rest of your day! Aoba47 (talk) 02:19, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Toa Nidhiki05 edit

Going to get the ball rolling and give this a look. Toa Nidhiki05 13:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lede
  • Not sure the lede flows as well as it should. For example, the second sentence talks about the album’s genre, but then it goes into her rejecting earlier record offers and having previously recorded albums. I would rearrange things slightly to move the genre section towards the end, along with the album’s production. Otherwise, pretty good.
  • Change “has previously recorded” to “had previously recorded”.
Background and recording
  • She had considered hundreds of songs before deciding on the eleven for the final track listing > She had considered hundreds of songs before deciding on the eleven in the final track listing.
  • I think either one would work, but I have changed it. Aoba47 (talk) 20:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • On October 21, 1995, she performed songs from the album during an Indianapolis Ice games against the Detroit Vipers. > On October 21, 1995, she performed songs from the album during an Indianapolis Ice game against the Detroit Vipers.
Release history
  • Capitalize “cassette”.
References
  • All archived - great job! Also great job in putting the subscription notices for paywalled sources. Formatting seems consistent. Toa Nidhiki05 14:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
General
  • Just a brief note, but I do agree with some other commenters that there is a some trivia here that doesn’t necessarily need to be here. This is clearly a notable subject and it’s very well covered, but it verges on overkill at points. It’s not enough to get me to oppose, but in places like the “Legacy” section it seems a bit excessive. This is just a comment, not a request to change anything right now. Toa Nidhiki05 14:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the comment. I changed the "Legacy" section title to "Aftermath" because I feel that is more appropriate. I thought the section was important because it covers both McCormmick's disappointment when looking back on the album and her continued work in country music, which I feel is related to this album. However, I would be more than happy to revisit this section if necessary. I have worked on the article for a while so it can be a little tough for me to disentangle what is important from what is trivial or not necessary for this particular article. Aoba47 (talk) 20:25, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Toa Nidhiki05: Thank you for the review! I believe that I have made all of the requested changes. Let me know if anything else needs work, and have a great rest of your weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 20:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think this looks good for now. I'm satisfied with what it looks like for now so I'll support this. Very comprehensive article and I think this will be an excellent addition to our featured articles - can't really think of too many other critically panned FAs. If any concerns remain about the amount of content here I'm sure they can be worked out very quickly. Toa Nidhiki05 22:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the help! I never thought about it, but it is true that a majority of FAs are on projects that received much more critical praise then this one lol. Maybe it is something to do with more critically panned projects either being forgotten or not attracting enough interested editors to work on the related article enough for an FA. Hope you have a great rest of your weekend, and if there is anything I can do to help you, then please let me know. Aoba47 (talk) 23:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comment from Yashthepunisher edit

  • The subsection of References is named 'book sources', whereas there is only one source mentioned. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:20, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Yashthepunisher: Good catch. I have used "Bibliography" for that section title in the past, but an FAC reviewer said that was inappropriate. I have changed it to "Book source" as it is only one source. Thank you for the help! Aoba47 (talk) 16:46, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from DAP edit

An enjoyable read and fantastic work per usual. Tidy prose sans a couple of minor typos I caught at first glance: one in the third paragraph of the Background and Recording subsection with "Barring Coffing", and the other in the third sentence of the Critical reception subsection (but said her upper register as "a little screechy at times"). That's about it, very few comments to add that haven't already been addressed. Once these typos have been addressed, I'll be happy to offer my support. DAP 💅 3:32, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

  • @DAP388: Thank you for the compliments and the recommendations! I have revised the typos. The phrase "Barring Coffing" did make me chuckle lol. Hope you are doing well, and let me know if anything else needs improvement. Aoba47 (talk) 03:40, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • All good. Happy to support. Cheers! DAP 💅 4:20, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Image review edit

  • I am honestly not entirely certain. I am quite unfamiliar with that side of things (i.e. Wikipedia and image policy) so I cannot say for certain either way. I saw the image being used in the main article on McCormick, and I thought it would fit here. I could remove it if necessary. Aoba47 (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I went back to the original image, and replaced the source link with an archived URL. The source links to an eBay sale; that seems a little strange to me because I would not think eBay would be a great source for images. However, I am not an expert at this. Aoba47 (talk) 20:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
eBay links however can be a source for photographs of the object, and such photos can be used to prove that something lacks a copyright notice. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:20, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the explanation! Aoba47 (talk) 20:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I tried to explain in the caption how it represents McCormick's plan to experiment with genre on the album. McCormick says in an interview that she wanted to experiment with different sounds, but she does not name any specific song with this. Mike Hughes (i.e. reference 15) describes the song with these categories (i.e. up-tempo and dance-hall), but he does not tie it into an overall assessment on how the overall album sounds. I could remove the audio sample completely if my caption falls under Wikipedia:No original research. I thought an article about an album would appear odd without an audio sample, but I would be fine with removing it. Aoba47 (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have actually gone ahead and removed the sample as it is not truly representative of the album. Aoba47 (talk) 20:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure that the ALT text is good; to me it sounds like it describes the images rather than supplanting them. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:23, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Jo-Jo Eumerus: Thank you for the review. I have responded to your questions above, and I have also changed the ALT text according to your suggestion. For the longest time, I had thought ALT text was supposed to describe what in the image rather than restate what the image was. I cannot remember where I got this from (maybe a mixture of GAN/FAC reviewers and what I saw in other articles). Apologies for my mistake with that. Aoba47 (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the reference. I was not doubting you about it as I actually received a similar note recently about ALT text. Again I am not sure where I picked up my incorrect assessment, but apologies for that. Aoba47 (talk) 20:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A few comments on other aspects of the page:
  • "critics questioned McCormick's connection with country music" is an odd sentence.
  • @Jo-Jo Eumerus: Revised. Several critics felt that McCormick's career in country was forced, a way to make money, or just did not make sense for her so hopefully I made that a little clearer. Aoba47 (talk) 20:25, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The prose otherwise seems OK to me, although I am not really a good prose person.
  • Don't really know anything about the topic to assess its sources.
Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:50, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Moise edit

I reviewed When You Get a Little Lonely at the time of its first nomination and didn't support then, but I believe the article has improved really a lot. Kudos to Aoba for his persistence. Right now I'm doing a second read-through, and making some small edits as I go along. Here are some comments:

  • "While completing When You Get a Little Lonely, McCormick was offered a cameo role on The Brady Bunch Movie (1995) but turned it down to focus on the album.[1] She had been approached the previous year about a cameo but was unable to accept because she was playing Betty Rizzo in a Broadway production of the musical Grease." Could you make it clearer in the article, were these two different offers about different cameos (or possibly the same cameo), both in The Brady Bunch Movie?
  • It was a second offer for the same cameo. I have hopefully clarified that point in the prose. Aoba47 (talk) 03:45, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "She wished it was "more organic" and that she could have written at least one of the songs." She wished it was more organic, or wished it had been more organic? If we're talking about the recording process, I'd argue "had been". If it's the album that's organic, then "was" could be okay, but it's less clear to me what an "organic album" would mean.
  • Good point. I have revised that part by clarifying what the "it" is referencing and using "had been". Here is the full quote from the source: "We had incredible musicians on the album, but I just would’ve liked it to have been more organic.". It seems like she wished the recording for the album had less rules and restraints or was allowed to develop more "organically". Let me know if it requires further clarification. Aoba47 (talk) 03:45, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the prize was a John Rich-produced single that was sent to radio". I think this means the prize was having John Rich produce a single for the winner, which would be distributed to radio stations. But "a ... single" especially does not seem clear. It could be interpreted as meaning the winner just got to take home a single. Moisejp (talk) 03:22, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good point. I have revised that part to hopefully clarify the meaning. The full sentence from the source is the following: "If you haven’t been watching CMT’s Gone Country, in which folks like Dee Snider, Bobby Brown, Carnie Wilson, and Maureen McCormick write and perform country songs with the hope that theirs will be the single produced by Big & Rich’s John Rich and sent to radio, you’ve been missing out." Aoba47 (talk) 03:51, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also did some source spot-checking just now, and it all seems good. Just I think "McCormick appeared in the music video for Brad Paisley's 2007 song "Online" " should maybe be sourced to ref 2 instead of ref 5. Both ref 2 and 5 are used in the following sentence, so it would have been easy to mix up during editing. Moisejp (talk) 04:02, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for pointing it out. I have added the correct reference. Thank you for the edits so far. They are really helpful! Aoba47 (talk) 04:04, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to support. It's well written and comprehensive, and as I mentioned above my spot checks give me pretty good confidence that the information in sources was used accurately throughout the article. Cheers, Moisejp (talk) 14:34, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done edit

  • AXS is a publisher not a work
  • FN6 is missing author
  • FN10 should include full publication information
  • I have filled it out to be more complete. Let me know if anything is missing from the citation. Aoba47 (talk) 23:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • FN12 is incomplete
  • FN13: page? Same with FN8, 28
  • Unfortunately, none of the sources come with page numbers. Aoba47 (talk) 23:49, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you getting these from a secondary source? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:58, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent in whether you use |via= for GBooks links
  • I have removed the via parts. from the GBooks links. Aoba47 (talk) 23:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Access dates aren't needed for GBooks links. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:25, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Nikkimaria: Thank you for the review. I believe I have addressed everything. Have a great start to your week. Aoba47 (talk) 23:49, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Homeostasis07 edit

Read the whole article three times trying to find something to complain about. The only points I'd make are:

  • There are 40 instances of "album" in the prose. I'd suggest changing some of them to "the record", or even "it"... when it's blatantly obvious that the album is being referenced. In 'Background and recording', you could probably rephrase "The album's executive producer Barry Coffing arranged and produced all of the tracks." to "Executive producer Barry Coffing arranged and produced all of the tracks." Etc.
  • Thank you for pointing it out. I have hopefully toned it down. Aoba47 (talk) 00:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I take it it's common knowledge in the US that Nashville, Tennessee is known as "Music City", but I had no idea what was being referred to by "Music City's finest". May be a good idea to link Music City—which currently links to Nashville's article anyway.
  • Good idea. I have added the link. Aoba47 (talk) 00:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • appears as a guest artist, duetting with McCormick on "We Must Have Done Something Right". - could probably lose the "with McCormick" there, since it's fairly obvious at this point that it's her album on which he's featuring as a duet vocalist.
  • During a 1995 interview, McCormick... - "McCormick" is used twice in two sentences. What about changing this instance to merely "she", since it should be obvious that - in tandem with the previous sentence - you're referring to the artist.
  • 12 uses of "album" in this section alone. Consider rephrasing a couple.
  • Typo: "It's very Brady sort of voice". - source says "It's a very Brady sort of voice."
  • Thank you for catching this. I have revised. Aoba47 (talk) 00:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Typo: According to 2015 AXS article, - should probably be "According to a 2015 AXS article, and I think AXS should be linked in this prose.
  • Revised. AXS is linked in a previous section. Aoba47 (talk) 00:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise, this is a brilliantly written – and fascinating – article, and will be happy to support once these comments are addressed. Homeostasis07 (talk · contribs) 23:22, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Homeostasis07: Thank you for the review! I believe that I have addressed everything. Let me know if anything else needs work. Have a great rest of your weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 00:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks a lot for the speedy review. I'm happy with the changes you've made, so will support now. Homeostasis07 (talk · contribs) 00:20, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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