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The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot (talk) 8 November 2021 [1].

Truce of Calais edit

Nominator(s): Gog the Mild (talk) 12:33, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another in my occasional series of treaties and truces. The Truce of Calais was agreed between France and England eight years into the Hundred Years' War. It was intended to last nine months but eventually ran, not quite continuously, for eight years. It never halted all conflict, but it did punctuate two periods of major campaigning by the two royal armies. I worked this up to a run at GA earlier this month, and following a little further work believe that it meets the FAC criteria. Let the negotiations commence. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:33, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Tim riley edit

Not much from me. Splendid, readable article. A few minor points on the prose:

  • Lead
    • "a truce agreed to by King Edward III of England and King Philip VI of France" – do we need two prepositions here? "to by" would be better as a simple "by" in my view. I don't say we're in "what did you choose that book to be read to out of from for?" territory, but a trim would be nice, I think.
      Trimmed.
    • "had lost all of its territory in France" – unnecessary AmE-style "of". There are three more such later, all of which would be crisper without the superfluous "of".
      Oh dear. Perhaps I should give up and just write in AmE? Joke! Joke! Four of's excised, hopefully the four you had in mind. (I use "of" 203 times!) And now added to my pre-FAC checklist of words to watch, just after "due to".
      All fine now, me judice. Tim riley talk 15:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Background
    • "the English Crown had controlled the Duchy of Aquitaine … By the 1330s this had been reduced to Gascony" – what is "this" that had been reduced? The duchy or English holdings?
      Ah. Good niggle. Changed to "these holdings". Does that fix it?
      Certainly, in my view. Tim riley talk 15:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Truce
  • "a temporary cease fire" – a ceasefire is one word according to the OED.
    A recent innovation it seems - [2], but changed.
    You're right: the older citations in the OED hyphenate it or make it two words, but since the 1960s the noun (though not the verb, of course) seems to have been one word as a rule. Tim riley talk 15:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • John II
    • "13 knots ([convert: unit mismatch])" – needs attention.
      A passing stranger has helpfully fixed it. Apparently "kn" is not a unit of measurement. Who knew?
      I have never hitherto seen you as Blanche DuBois, depending on the kindness of strangers, but full marks to the passing stranger nonetheless. Tim riley talk 15:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I can find to quibble about. Good stuff, as ever. – Tim riley talk 14:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent stuff Mr riley, thank you. All addressed. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Meets all the FA criteria in my view. A very good read, well illustrated, broadly referenced, evidently impartial. Just what one expects from the Gog FA factory, in fact. Tim riley talk 15:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review edit

Pass. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nikkimaria (talk) 03:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Both done. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Girth Summit edit

Only very small pernickety things from me - generally well-written, comprehensive, etc.

  • "...and was repeatedly prepared to repudiate it in exchange for..." Presumably he was continually, rather than repeatedly, prepared to do this. Perhaps something like '...and repeatedly declared that he was prepared...'
Checking the source, I was probably stretching what it said a bit, so I have removed the claim.
  • Perhaps link 'Fleming/s' on first mention to Flemings? (I lived in Belgium for a year, but a lot of readers might be unfamiliar with the word.)
Good point. I have linked the first mention of Flanders to County of Flanders. I am not convinced about linking "Flemings" - the first mention of which is three words later - to Flemings; that article only takes their history back to 1830.
  • "and murdered him as he knelt naked, pleading for his life." Is murdered supported by the sources? I mean, it certainly sounds like a murder by any reasonable standards, but medieval law was a funny thing, just checking the sources support it.
Oh yes. First source I checked: "arrange the consta�ble’s murder in January".
  • The final paragraph has the "Treaty of Calais"; elsewhere it's the "Truce of Calais". Are these two different things, or is this a typo?
They are different, but that was a typo. Sorry. Good spot.
  • Are we happy about all the capitalisations? (Treaty of..., Truce of... etc). No particular argument for change from me, just worth checking that sources support them.

That's it - I expect to be supporting this soon. Girth Summit (blether) 15:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Girth Summit, many thanks for wading through this. Your comments addressed above. On a separate note, do you fancy casting your eyes over this? Gog the Mild (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to get chance to take a look - this is all good, thank you. Girth Summit (blether) 17:32, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass edit

  • Taking this up.
  • Burne, Alfred (1999) [1955]. On WorldCat the only 1955 edition I can find uses OCLC 1032692380 and was published by Oxford University, in New York (presumably OUP USA); and Google Books provides a 1955 edition of the listed ISBN but with the publisher of Eyre & Spottiswoode; double-check your edition if you used a physical copy.
Nope, that's what my physical copy states "First published in 1955 by Eyre and Spottiswoode". Want a photo of it?
  • Fowler, Kenneth Alan (1969) just wanted to make a note that the 9780389010036 ISBN brings up a Google Books page which contains information that the current WorldCat (brought up by OCLC used) does not, including the publisher.
You have lost me there. And so?
You might want to add the ISBN as well, given its availability and ease of access to information. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 00:05, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added.
  • Hardy, Robert (2010) per the previous usage of orig-year, you may wish to insert an orig-year here of 2006.
Orig-year of 1976 inserted.
  • Ormrod, W. Mark (2008) the link portends that the source was published in print and online in 2004; you may wish to use an orig-year of 2004.
Done.
  • I've edited Jaques, Tony (2007) and Ormrod, W. Mark (1990) to standardize location usage.
Thank you.

Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:02, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Iazyges, all responded to. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Passing. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 00:05, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Iazyges edit

I reviewed this article for GAN, happy to support it for FA. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:02, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Query for the coordinators edit

@FAC coordinators: Three supports - two of them non-MilHist - image and source review passes and tomorrow it hits two weeks since being nominated. So could I have permission to nominate another on the 2nd? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead. (t · c) buidhe 12:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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