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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 04:14, 25 January 2017 [1].

The Winds of Winter (Game of Thrones) edit

Nominator(s): Calibrador (talk) 07:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it meets the FA criteria. I am a major contributor to the article, and have significantly expanded it to cover every aspect involved with creating the episode. Calibrador (talk) 07:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by JDC808 edit

Lead

I already made this copy-edit, but as a rule of thumb, spell out all numbers unless they take three of more words to write. There are exceptions.

Writing

At the end of the second paragraph, there's a rather long quote. Block quote it or try to cut it down and paraphrase it.
There's another rather long quote in the middle of the fourth paragraph.

Basically, and this applies to all sections, any long quotes, try to cut those down and paraphrase unless you feel that the full quote is particularly noteworthy to have, or that you are not able to accurately convey the same message.

Also, if there are quotation marks inside of a quote, use a single apostrophe at the beginning and end of the inner quote (that is for future reference, as I took care of these in my copy-edits).

Once the quote issues noted above are addressed, let me know. Also, if you have some time, I have an article also at FAC, God of War: Ascension. --JDC808 ♫ 01:10, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- @JDC808: Thanks for the assistance in copyediting. I will take a look at the long quotes you mentioned and cut them down as best as I can. Calibrador (talk) 01:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - @JDC808: Could you indicate by the reviewer's name which quotes you were referring to? Calibrador (talk) 01:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Calibrador:

Writing

Benioff's quote at the end of paragraph 2.
Wright's quote in paragraph 4.
Weiss's quote in paragraph 5, though this one isn't that bad.
Both of Benioff's quotes int the last paragraph.

Casting

Chapman's quote in paragraph 1.
Both of Dormer's quote in paragraph 2; the second one isn't too bad.
Pryce's quotes in the next paragraph can be trimmed/paraphrased.

Filming

All quotes in paragraph 3.
Sapochnik's quotes in the next two paragraphs.

Costuming

Clapton's quotes throughout this section.

Musical score

Any long quotes by Djawadi in this section.

Critical reception

Fowler's quotes in paragraph 2.
Calia's first quote in paragraph 2. His second quote doesn't really add anything to the reception IMO.
Egner's quote in paragraph 3.
Hibberd's quote in paragraph 3 can probably be trimmed/paraphrased.

--JDC808 ♫ 01:46, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I will take a look at what quotes I think are important to stay, and copyedit the ones that I believe could be copyedited and convey the same thing. Is there criteria specifically against having long quotes? In the actor instances, I thought it best to have the actual quote that relays their personal feelings about leaving the show or working on the show. Calibrador (talk) 00:10, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's not a rule against having long quotes, however, it's not good to have a bunch of quotes (see MOS:QUOTE). In some of the instance noted above, the majority of the paragraph is quote(s). --JDC808 ♫ 03:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by HJ Mitchell edit

What you have here is good and I can see myself supporting but at the moment it completely fails criterion 1b, specifically "places the subject in context". A reader who hasn't watched Game of Thrones would have no idea who these people are or what any of the events in the plot section refer to. At the very least you need an introductory paragraph that leads the reader into the detailed plot that follows. As it is, it's like starting Star Wars at "I am your father". HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:52, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure how to go about avoiding this. As this is the 60th hour of the television show, there would be a lot to have to provide back story on to make the uninitiated aware of who each of the characters are, what the settings are, etc. Especially with as many characters there are in the show. I've already attempted to cut the plot as short as possible, only including the necessary information, to at least try to conform with WP:Plot, but I would think the Wikilinks to the main articles, that do place the subjects into context, would be the main resource for the uninitiated to understand the basics about the article that's being presented. Only thing I could think of that would alleviate the problem would be to have a big list of the cast and characters and explain what they are all about, and I don't think that would be beneficial for the article as a whole. Calibrador (talk) 00:10, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My two cents on that situation: Although we're supposed to present these articles in a way that someone unfamiliar could understand, I would find it a bit that someone who has never seen the show would be reading an article about its last aired episode (the 60th episode to put it in perspective). If anything, maybe a small summary at the start of the Plot section (or maybe small summaries for each subsection) that summarizes what happened prior to this episode (at least summarizing the events of season 6 that lead to the events of this episode). As for characters, in addition to linking their names, I would link List of Game of Thrones characters at the start of the plot with Template:See also. --JDC808 ♫ 03:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I've not been able to dedicate as much time to this as I originally had hoped. Because I foresee more issues coming up, I'm going to go ahead and withdraw my nomination. I'm not sure there is something formal I have to do, or if someone else is able to de-list the nomination, but if someone could help with that I would appreciate it. Calibrador (talk) 03:32, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Calibrador -- as one of the coord team, I'll action. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:14, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been withdrawn, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 04:14, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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