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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 19:09, 4 July 2008 [1].

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Tea & Sympathy

Nominator(s): giggy _(:O)

Tea & Sympathy is the debut solo album by Bernard Fanning, recorded, produced, and released, while Powderfinger took a hiatus from 2005 to 2007. Like most Powderfinger work it was popular in Australia and New Zealand, but didn't really make it outside of those areas, hence this isn't as long or detailed as some other album articles (and those used to reading about Powderfinger will probably be familiar with it).

GA nomination/review at Talk:Tea & Sympathy/GA1, peer review at Wikipedia:Peer review/Tea & Sympathy/archive1. Happy to make changes based on suggestions here. Cheers, giggy _(:O) 13:04, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• I'm inclined to lean towards reliable on http://www.musicomh.com/ but anything you can add that will bolster that would be good.

Otherwise sources look good. Links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Comment The article is lacking substance, and is only a list of facts and data. There is no insight or context. Too many of these types of weak cut and paste alt.rock articles are slipping through FAC; I think we to clip. Ceoil ^sláinte 14:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Ceoil, it might be useful to the nominator if you can give examples of what sort of information is missing. I see quite a bit of insightful context such as the background info. — Wackymacs (talk ~ edits) 17:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh but I like to see a bit of back story in articles like this, and not just 'hard data'. This is a music article, but there is no discussion of the music. What are described are tour dates, release dates, and snippits from reviews. Ceoil ^sláinte 02:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying Ceoil. I'm going to and add some discussion as per your suggestion (asap). —giggy 05:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I just think you need to flesh out some areas, trim some others (eg the reception section is too long imo, and the ABC review should really go...a work of art is too fawning to be meaningful, while played it consistently for a week on their breakfast radio shows indicates that the review was part of a promo campaign) and then you are there. I've had a look around for sources that describe the music, but nothing so far. Bah. Ceoil ^sláinte 16:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

That's all fixed - thanks for the suggestions, they are appreciated. I'm going to try and do the more significant changes (eg. description of the music) today hopefully. —Giggy 01:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Reception section: [2] - better? —Giggy 07:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, much better. Good work. Ceoil ^{Non visto ... Provvedi} 09:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I cant find meaning in this - It was a more low-key event than its predecessor, in which Fanning and The Gap Jazz School Choir play at the Brisbane Convention Centre, Hordern Pavilion in Sydney and the Melbourne Festival Hall. Can you clarify. Ceoil ^sláinte 17:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... that was originally part of the previous paragraph and ended up tacked on to there. Removed - not sure what it was getting at. —Giggy 01:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Ha, in other words it got mangeled during copy editing! Grand. Ceoil ^{Non visto ... Provvedi} 09:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

• Whats a "metal-fest"?
• Record label Dew Process supported Fanning and his producer Tchad Blake - What are you tring to say here? "Fanning's album was financed by Dew Process and produced by Tchad Blake" or "Every so often Dew Process would call to Fanning and Blake and say "Ye are doing great guys; ye are really great guys." ? ;)
• The album's title comes from.... - do you know whats the saying, or on which Stones album does the production credit appear.
• Opening track "Thrill is Gone" was written by Fanning as a joke about him "splitting up with rock'n'roll"—an idea he found funny. Sounds like hes laughing at his own jokes; on his solo album. Eeek. ;)
• In the lead up to the album's release, Fanning said that despite his desire to record a country album, he didn't "know how to write a country song".[35] - This at best trite, at worst self congratulations from a musician who views himself as "a natural". Cut. Ceoil ^sláinte 22:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

On rereading the article, these are just examples of ill thought out sentences and merged by cut and pasted threads not linked by any logic I can find. The article is inchorent in areas...Fanning wanted to create a politically-oriented album and hoped to attack then Prime Minister of Australia John Howard, following Howard's 2004 election victory over Mark Latham. However the recent death of Fanning's brother coupled with the end of a twelve-year relationship brought Fanning into the tabloids' spotlight. His change in musical direction lead to Tea & Sympathy being described as a "breakup album" by the Oakland Tribune.[3]...Um,. why 'however'?, and what with "hoped to attack"; either he attacked or he didn't, after all the record is now in past tense. And then out of nowhere the Oakland Tribune qoute. And so on, and on. Oposse; not ready. Ceoil ^sláinte 00:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment

• 4 of the first 8 paragraphs in the body begin with "Fanning...". I'm not sure, but can something be done about that?
  • Ouch, that doesn't look great, you're right. Better now?
• "support; Fanning joked, "I think" → "support; he joked, "I think"
  • Done.
• If you're going to link dates, like "on June 24, 2006.[20] All ", then please link the other ones so they also format according to user preferences, including "11 September ".
  • Sorry, I'm sometimes really forgetful in doing these. Should be all done.
• "awarded 'Best Cover Art' and 'Album Of The Year' at" → "awarded "Best Cover Art" and "Album Of The Year" at"
  • This distinguishes from song titles (which go "like this")... Ceoil added it, I think, but I agree with it. Is it a big deal?
    • The it's just really used for stylistic effect; I still think it should be double quotes. Gary King (talk) 05:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
      • OK, done. [3] —Giggy 01:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
• Same: "for 'Best Blues & Roots Album' and 'Highest Selling Album'."
• Continue changing the quotes in the " Reception" section.
• That's all I've got for now.

Gary King (talk) 17:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Replied. Thanks for taking a look! —giggy 05:02, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Support I peer reviewed the article (well, tried to, at least!) when it was going through the review, and in my opinion it has the quality of a featured article - I'm sure that the minor prose-related issues stated above will be solved. JonCatalán (talk) 16:40, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your peer review help and your support. —Giggy 01:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment

Until today, there is no section dedicated to analyzing the music/lyrics of the album (although the latter is partly discussed in the first section). I feel it fails comprehensiveness. --Efe (talk) 09:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

This is being worked on; see above. Ceoil ^{Non visto ... Provvedi} 09:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I added one - Tea & Sympathy#Music and lyrics. I've tried to not duplicate information but of course any comments are welcome. —Giggy 09:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

hi

• "Fanning worked outside from" outside of sounds better, I think.
  • Done. —Giggy 08:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
• "musically pedestrian"? this is a really weird phrase.
  • Removed it. —Giggy 08:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
• "Sessions for the album began in February 2005 when Blake and several other musicians recorded tracks at Blakes Brisbane studio. Four of these—"Not Finished Just Yet", "Believe", "Wash Me Clean", and "Hope & Validation"—appeared on the album after being mixed by Blake." so did fanning not have a part in these? Naerii 16:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
  • He did - not sure why it said Blake. Fixed. —Giggy 08:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to withdraw this FAC for now and come back to it a bit later when I've fixed the above issues, etc. —Giggy 01:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll get it tomorrow so GimmeBot doesn't have to make a separate run. Please remember to leave the {{fac}} template in place until the bot runs, per WP:FAC/ar. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem, thanks. —Giggy 03:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

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