Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Soundgarden/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 14:51, 22 May 2008.

Soundgarden edit

After much work, I believe this article now passes all FA criteria. Self-nom --Freedom (song) (talk) 16:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The citations should be properly formatted, the red cite errors need to be taken care of, linking to copyright violations is frowned upon, and at least one of the citations you use gives a 404 error. BuddingJournalist 16:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm staying out of this vote, but I should point out that Wikipedia editors can't evaluate whether a third party Web site has obtained permission for its music (or whatever it is that bothers you). If a featured article candidate page is stable, i.e. the same link has been present a long time on the Wikipedia site about the band, not a new one every hour, then I'm inclined to believe that the target of that link is innocent of copyright violation until proven guilty. Wnt (talk) 01:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm talking about linking to sites such as this one and this one, which state explicitly that they are reprinting articles without permission in violation of copyright. BuddingJournalist 01:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To the authors, you can use {{cite news}} without a URL to cite that article. I've done this on Diorama (album) (a recent example); see the  in the edit window. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose
All references need to be in {{cite web}} form.

No, they don't. They just need consistent formatting. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I count 4 or 5 references that are broken.

Fixed all the references that where broken now. You can check out if you want to. --Freedom (song) (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A couple links are down.

Also fixed the links i think.--Freedom (song) (talk) 17:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot of unsourced information in the article.
Prose could use some brushing up.
The band actually received death threats about it on a UK tour in the early 1990s. Words like "actually" don't sound encyclopediac, and sounds slightly POVish.
Quite a few short, stubby sentences, making the prose start-and-stop in places.
I could find more examples, but those are my biggest concerns. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 16:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: {{cite web}} is not a requirement. References only need to be properly and consistently formatted; relevant information such as author, date of publication, publisher, title, etc. should be given. BuddingJournalist 16:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First, {{cite web}} is generally an FAC requirement. Second, even if it wasn't, you tell me that the references need to be properly formated; so why aren't some of them? Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 17:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"so why aren't some of them?" I think you're mistaking me for the nominator. I never said that references were properly formatted in the article, and in my very first comment above, I point out that they aren't properly formatted. I'm just pointing out that {{cite web}} has never been an FAC requirement, nor should it be. The use of citation templates is up to the individual editor, as per guidelines; people can format citations perfectly fine without them. Ask Sandy, Raul, or any other FAC regular. BuddingJournalist 21:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did not mistake you for the nominator. I said it is generally a requirement. {{cite web}} is far easier to use and manage than manually formated references, so I do not understand why it isn't used. I may have been mistaken, but regardless, properly formated references are a requirement. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 15:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The use of cite templates is not a requirement for any article (see WP:CITE) or part of WP:WIAFA (see 2c); consistently formatted citations are required, by whatever means used. See Tourette syndrome (manually formatted citations, mine). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

much of the sources on the Pink Floyd page isn't {{cite web}} --Freedom (song) (talk) 18:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I note that two other editors have contributed significantly to this article, at nearly 3 times your edits apiece. Quantity isn't necessarily quality, of course, but I see that they've both been working on it for years, and you'd be wise to follow the FAC instructions for posting on the article talk page or otherwise contacting principle contributors before bringing the article to FAC. Maralia (talk) 17:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

see [1] this is the Soundgarden page before i came. This is the Soundgarden page when i startet to work on it [2]. I've done all the work on the page, i'm not saying the other users didn't edit but i made it to what it is now. --Freedom (song) (talk) 18:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom (song), please give credit where its due. The majority of what you added comes from the Soundgarden album articles, which I wrote.-5- (talk) 05:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dud i know you have written most of the article i just ment that i made it to how it is now. You have as much credit as me when it comes to this article. No you should have more credit okay. I didn't mean i wrote the article to make that clear. --Freedom (song) (talk) 08:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The use of "later" in the first para of the lead is awkward and not really adding anything
There's really no free image?
"first grunge band to sign to a major label, but the band" - overuse of band...try some variety/rewordings
Ref 2 publisher shouldn't have italics
"Soundgarden was formed in 1984 by Chris Cornell (drums & vocals) and Hiro Yamamoto (bass), who were later joined by Kim Thayil (guitar)" - "who" should be "they", and comma should be semicolon (or else reword some other way...)
"Despite being good friends with Thayil, Pavitt was not impressed by Soundgarden, but agreed since Poneman offered to contribute $20,000 in funding for Sub Pop." - needs ref
Audio samples often need a wlink to the song's article (noticed this on "Flower")
"After the release of the album Soundgarden supported the album" - this prose needs work (repetition)
"Although the album was overshadowed by the sudden popularity of Nirvana's Nevermind, at the same time, the focus of attention brought by Nevermind to the Seattle scene brought Soundgarden wider attention, allowing the singles "Outshined" and "Rusty Cage" to find an audience at alternative radio and MTV." - very clunky sentence, try rewording
"Afterward, the band then returned for" - redundant word there
"Despite strong reviews, the album did not match its predecessor's sales." - needs ref
Don't refer to them by first names (eg. "Chris Cornell said"), just use surnames after the first time they're named

Needs a good copyedit from someone who hasn't seen it before. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support: I love it great fantastic yeah. Not as good as the Led Zeppelin article but still good. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 19:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Great article --Well Hater (talk) 09:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support: I like it good job -5- and Freedom (song). --Kill Nu metal (talk) 11:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting [3], [4], also notice who all voted on the side of Nu metal. indopug (talk) 11:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I smell a sock farm, if small. Rudget (Help?) 15:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As the expression goes: "I smell a rat." I agree with Rudget (who has a habit of beating me to these things ;).) I think an SSP or Checkuser might be in order here. Qst (talk) 15:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It'll have to wait until the FAC is closed per RFCU policy. Rudget (Help?) 15:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've archived this FAC; it will be tagged closed as soon as GimmeBot runs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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