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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 31 August 2019 [1].
Rock parrot edit
This article is about a cute little parrot that has not been much-studied...meaning it is a shorter article than many bird articles. Still, I have scoured sources to make it as comprehensive as possible. Comment away and I will address pronto. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
FunkMonk edit
- I'll have a look soon, but as usual I've looked for some additional images which might be considered. FunkMonk (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- This image might show it feeding more clearly?[2]
- This image shows the underparts more clearly, and the blue seems to be more popping:[3]
- There are a bunch of duplinks.
- There is inconsistency in whether you list scientific names or not.
- You don't give a date for the synonym.
- "Subspecies zietzi was described" What does that name mean?
- no idea. presumably eponymous. will look more, nothing turned up yet Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- There is also a Calliostoma zietzi from Australia, so I assume Zietz is some person? Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz could fit the bill. FunkMonk (talk) 19:45, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- Jobling names Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz here on an open access part of the HBW site - but in bird articles we generally don't specify the etymology of subspecies names. -Aa77zz (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- Is that any kind of standard, tough? In my experience, it's mainly just because subspecies etymologies usually can't be found when asked for, so in this case if we have it, and there are only two subspecies, it would seem like an oversight... But in something with like ten subspecies, where only a few have etymologies we can find, it would seem inconsistent to add only some. FunkMonk (talk) 06:19, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
- Jobling names Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz here on an open access part of the HBW site - but in bird articles we generally don't specify the etymology of subspecies names. -Aa77zz (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- There is also a Calliostoma zietzi from Australia, so I assume Zietz is some person? Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz could fit the bill. FunkMonk (talk) 19:45, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- no idea. presumably eponymous. will look more, nothing turned up yet Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- "It has paler and more yellowish plumage overall, though is of a similar size. Its plumage darkens with wear, and may be indistinguishable from the nominate subspecies when old" I would expect this info under description?
- What is Euphema now? Doesn't seem to have an article.
- "Immature males and females closely resemble adults" Why specify their sexes when you already mentioned the sexes are alike?
- It seems unclear if the subspecies are found in different areas?
- "The coloration" Colour? I guess Australian is like UK English in most regards?
- "maybe a more desirable specimen" May be?
- "though the population worldwide is decreasing" Seems an odd way to put it,l as it doesn't have a worldwide distribution?
- "historically reported that nests were found to contain" Reported that nests were historically found to contain"?
- "(Cakile maritima). chenopod species include" Capitalise chenopod at start of new sentence?
- "Two subspecies are recognised." I wonder if it would be good to name both here? It may not be obvious to most regular readers that one subspecies is obviously N. petrophila petrophila as the nominate, a name not mentioned anywhere in the article.
Comments from Aa77zz edit
Looks good with little to quibble about
- range mentioned twice in lead. Consider mentioning that they mostly breed on islands.
- Salvadori - first page is 569
- "the nests sites in the difficultly accessed positions." grammar
- "Two subspecies are recognised." - perhaps cite ioc here as HBW and Forshaw 2006 Parrots of the World do not recognise zietzi.
- "24 to 25 mm long by 19 to 20 mm (1.0 by 0.8 in) wide." - conversion is odd
- "Gilbert's Noongar guides" - Noongar would need a link - but Noongar guides are not mentioned in cited source.
- Do they have a second brood?
Aa77zz (talk) 08:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Support - I would prefer the use of the definite article before "English ornithologist", "collector John Gilbert", "Italian ornithologist" and "Biologist Donald Brightsmith" but it's your choice. - Aa77zz (talk) 11:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Comment from Chris857 edit
"The coloration of this Neophema species, is duller than others" - remove the comma? Chris857 (talk) 05:47, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
- removed 07:09, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Comments from Jim
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Just a few nitpicks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
- more yellowish (x2) — yellower seems more natural
- feral predators —feral mammals?
- common at cliff faces at offshore islands —I’d replace one or both "ats" with "on"
- it is one of four classified in the subgenus —missing "species"
- The legs and feet are dark grey, with a pink tinge on the soles and rear of tarsus.[12] —the tarsus, or tarsi
- They then moult into adult plumage after twelve months of age.[13] — after… of age looks wrong
- Success rates in the wild are unknown —Breeding…
- Daisy species seed consumed —Daisy species’ seeds consumed
- Differentiating the genders —sexes
All looks good, supported above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:17, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Image review
- Suggest adding alt text. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:30, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Source review edit
Happy to pick up the SR on this one - not least because there aren't so many! Shall be done later today. KJP1 (talk) 08:23, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Source 2, Gould - a couple of things here. Any reason you don't link Gould, as you do Liddell etc. below? The date of the meeting is 1840, but the pub. date is given as 1841. Is this right?
- Sources 3, 6 and 13 use 10-digit ISBNs while 12 and 26 use the 13-digit format. I think consistency is preferred.
- Source 4 - You list this as E. Gould, J. Gould and H. C. Richter, but the link gives only Gould, who is listed as the author (singular). Worldcat also appears to have it thus, [4]. What am I missing? Also, does it need a publication location - London, United Kingdom, to match Source 5?
- Source 5, Salvadori - the pages the link takes me to are pp. 574-575, and these appear to be those that cover the Neophema petrophila. Not sure why the cite is giving pp. 569, 575? Although 569 is the page on which the section on Neophema starts, in which case, should it be pp = 569-575?
- Source 10, Jobling, J. A., J. A. - is the repetition of "J. A." intended?
- Sources 13 to 21 - could these be grouped more simply as Higgins (1999) pp=549-554?
- the pages are large and the information extremely dense and difficult to navigate - the exact page makes it alot easier Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:11, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Source 25, CITES - I appreciate CITES is the title used on Wiki, but it threw me, not least because I first thought it related to Cite. Perhaps in full for clarity, Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora?
- Spot checks - not necessary, given the provenance, but I have spot-checked all of the on-line sources, all of which check out.
- Coverage - birds are by no means my area of expertise, but the coverage seems scholarly and comprehensive.
- A query - nothing to do with the Sources, but I'm puzzled by why this cute parrot is classified as being of Least Concern in conservation terms. With only 16 recorded as recently as 2017, it would seem pretty concerning to me! KJP1 (talk) 10:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support. All good: this meets the FA criteria as far as I can see. - SchroCat (talk) 13:39, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 16:37, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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