Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ralph Townsend/archive2
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Ralph Townsend edit
- Nominator(s): CurtisNaito (talk) 21:34, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is a comprehensive article about the American anti-interventionist advocate Ralph Townsend.CurtisNaito (talk) 21:34, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Image review
- Where did you check for copyright renewal?
- File:Gerald_Nye.jpg is missing source, author, and date. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:45, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The pictures were located in publications long out of print by long deceased authors. However, I'll delete the photograph of Gerald Nye.CurtisNaito (talk) 03:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Understood, but if you're going to say that the copyright was not renewed it's best to check that that is actually the case - it's very possible for an out-of-print work to still be renewed. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Slight sourcing concern Don't have time to look at the article in detail at the moment, but why is Clark's Japan Times opinion piece being cited for the factual claim that Japan's far right have herofied Townsend, but not the corresponding claim Clark makes that Townsend has been rejected in his homeland? Our article (or at least that paragraph) would appear to give the opposite impression. Shouldn't a source be located that directly supports the full claim, or else Clark's (full) opinion be attributed to him inline? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:58, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The source notes that Townsend is regarded as a hero by right-wing Japanese. It doesn't say he is "rejected in his homeland".CurtisNaito (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The source's exact words are Townsend ended up in a U.S. wartime jail, accused of treason.But for the rightwing here, he is a hero. Clark was drawing an ironic contrast between U.S. and Japanese attitudes to Townsend. Cherry-picking one side of his comparison and implicitly contradicting everything else he says is not a good idea. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:49, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Clark believes that the Japanese right-wing regard Townsend as a hero. By contrast, saying that Townsend spent time in prison is a simple factual statement which is already discussed at length in the article. I don't think we need to repeat such a basic fact in a paragraph dealing with Townsend's impact in Japan.CurtisNaito (talk) 05:55, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The source's exact words are Townsend ended up in a U.S. wartime jail, accused of treason.But for the rightwing here, he is a hero. Clark was drawing an ironic contrast between U.S. and Japanese attitudes to Townsend. Cherry-picking one side of his comparison and implicitly contradicting everything else he says is not a good idea. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:49, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The sourcing is in mixed style and over the place, which is at times hard to follow. Haven't done spot checks, or even sized them up as a result. Suggest a clean up here. The prose are fine, very clear and pull you in, but with some redundant phrasing though nothing than an hours work wouldn't fix - volunteering. It's a very interesting article which the nominator has distilled with skill and which I don't think it will pass in its current state, but figure the fixes needed are do-able, sourcing to be confirmed once made understandable. Ceoil (talk) 05:34, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm interested in changing the citations, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean. It looks to me like all the citations use the same style. Could you name a few which stand out so that I know which of the citations I need to change?CurtisNaito (talk) 06:17, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The main thing is that you are carrying the full reference detail in each inline, perhaps better would be to create a seperate "sources" section, and trim the inlines to eg "Gurko (1937), p. 548". Also, didn't check them all, but hope the self published refs are referring to Townsend's opinions only. Ceoil (talk) 01:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, there is no consensus for promotion on this occasion. Graham Beards (talk) 23:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Graham Beards (talk) 23:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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