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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 14:24, 30 April 2016 [1].

Maxinquaye edit

Nominator(s): Dan56 (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the 1995 debut album by English trip hop artist Tricky. When it was released, it was a critical success and deemed a key recording of the trip hop genre. It has since been ranked frequently by critics as one of the greatest albums of all time. Dan56 (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Ceoil edit

Comment had been reading through during the week, article is very good, and the following are minor

"Assisted by co-producer Mark Saunders, Tricky recorded the album"; should that be co-produced and engineered by
No, he was technically credited as producer/co-producer. Dan56 (talk) 22:35, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
'Assisted' implies more than production. Ceoil (talk) 22:45, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"frequently found himself serving as a DJ and programmer"... and assisting is kind of a broad term. By co-producing, he was assisting in the recording process. Dan56 (talk) 22:52, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"The United Kingdom's demographic of progressive, young music buyers for the record to perform well" - bit obvious, marketing speak
How so? Dan56 (talk) 22:35, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"The record charted for 35 weeks and peaked at number 3 on the British charts" - should be a single statement; maybe "The record spent 35 weeks on the British charts, peaking at number 3".

Ceoil (talk) 21:43, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Dan56 (talk) 22:35, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I'll be supporting this shortly. Ceoil (talk) 22:41, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Tricky would have received airplay in the US on alternative or college rock radio" - "would have"; despite what? I know what you are getting at, tempted to rephrase as "should have". Ceoil (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I added "if the label focused their efforts to promote him there". Is that what you meant? Dan56 (talk) 22:52, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think its more what the sources meant. Ceoil (talk) 22:59, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on prose from me anyhow, and to say am very please to see the candidacy. All major points covered. Ceoil (talk) 23:02, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Sparklism edit

Nice article. Fine record, too - another one I must dig out for another spin sometime soon... Anyway, I've had a quick look:

  • There's a fairly dormant but still open RfC on the talk page. I've commented there giving my view that the RfC should be closed, but I think that while it remains open it highlights a potential risk to article stability
Idk why that's even open still. I've revised some of the lead anyway, so the issue is stale/moot, and those editors haven't been active there in weeks. Dan56 (talk) 18:15, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a duplicate link in the 'Release & reception' section (Rolling Stone) that should be removed per WP:REPEATLINK
Removed. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • In both the lead and the article body, the label is referred to as both '4th & B'way' and '4th & Broadway' - we should just choose one, for consistency. Technically, since this was a 'British' album, the correct label name is the full "Fourth & Broadway", though I'd be happy with any variant so long as it is consistent throughout
Done. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Tricky and Topley-Bird would form a musical and romantic partnership over subsequent years, starting with their first recording together" - this was the start of their musical partnership, but we don't know if it was the start of their romantic one
Lol. I reworded it. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the 'Music and themes' section, the word "frequently" appears twice in close proximity - it might be better to use something else for one of these
Replaced with "often". Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd wikilink the first use of "sample" in the article body (it's already linked in the lead)
Done. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You might want to describe who Ragga is to aid the reader's understanding (and perhaps Alison Goldfrapp for that matter, though she is wikilinked)
There was no information on Ragga I could find, but I did introduce them as "vocalists" if that helps. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, that's better. I notice the track listing has an actual name for Ragga - any idea where this came from? — sparklism hey! 08:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Discogs lol. I put it there as a reminder, to look up stuff on her, but couldn't find anything. I've removed it. Dan56 (talk) 11:50, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Additionally, almost all of Topley-Bird's vocals on the album were recorded in a single take" - I don't think 'Additionally' is needed here, and perhaps this sentence could be combined with the subsequent one to improve the flow
Done. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Tricky also remade his 1994 contribution for Massive Attack," - this doesn't quite work for me, as it wasn't his only contribution. It was also a contribution to Protection really, so you might want to mention that
I wrote it as "one of his contributions for Massive Attack". Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "her suicide, along with his father's abandonment" sort of makes it sound like it was the father that was abandoned, which I don't think is what you're getting at
"his father abandoning him"? Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. — sparklism hey! 08:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a suitable wikilink for Babylon?
Perhaps Rastafari#Zion vs. Babylon, although Rastafari is already linked in the article. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Hell Is Around the Corner" is mistitled in the 'Music and themes' section (three times)
Fixed. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'channeling' might be 'channelling' in British English, but don't quote me
No, youre right ([2]) Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Hell E.P. is a collaboration with Gravediggaz, so this ought to be mentioned
Done. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Some people I've met were confused because he's black, and it's not easy to break through those barriers there." I'm not sure this adds much to the sentence that it appends
I added "because of his race", which is what the source was getting at. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, that's much better. — sparklism hey! 08:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blues Lines is a mistitle
Done. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Tricky himself disliked the term and later said, "I was supposed to have invented trip hop, and I will fucking deny having anything to do with it"" - I'm not sure this adds much to the article, since we're talking about the album and not the genre
The album and the genre are often discussed together, along with Tricky's dislike for the term, so I thought something should be said representing that portion of the coverage on this album. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should we mention that it was the 1995 Mercury Prize?
Done. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I revised it. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "peaking at number 3" - I was always taught to write out single digit numbers in full (i.e. three)
Done. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I notice that Tricky himself isn't wikilinked in the 'Personnel' section - is this deliberate?
Yes, to avoid overlinking (infobox + lead + track listing), but I can link it. Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personally, I don't think the 'see also' section adds much to the article
  • There's no mention of touring in the article (except a much later performance) - is there no coverage available?
"After it was released in the US on April 18, Tricky toured the country as a supporting act for fellow English recording artist PJ Harvey." Dan56 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, of course. One imagines that he toured the UK too (and I certainly remember seeing him play at Rock City, but I've got a feeling that was in '96), so it would be good to see if any info can be found on that. It's not a deal-breaker for me, though. — sparklism hey! 08:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are no audio clips either. These would be good to illustrate the music that you've written about in such beautiful detail
Thank you! But I'd rather give the space to the image and the quotebox. I've lost interest in adding clips anymore to articles. They're not practical (limited length, not always supported on every browser), and readers could and would rather youtube the entire album or parts since it's easier. @Sparklism: Dan56 (talk) 18:15, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! Fair enough :) — sparklism hey! 08:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's a bit to go at, but nothing major I don't think. I might add more after a second read. Thanks :) — sparklism hey! 15:06, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm supporting this on prose. I haven't reviewed the sources. Good work Dan56! — sparklism hey! 08:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Cas Liber edit

  • Having read through, I found I just lapsed into reading without thinking too much about corrections (a Good Thing) - so a tentative support on comprehensiveness and prose. Only minor point being below: Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:28, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I changed this, which came across odd to my ears.Otherwise ok.

Source review: everything is adequately cited, sources look good, everything formatted correctly. --Coemgenus (talk) 14:32, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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