Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Leonard Neale/archive1

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Leonard Neale

Nominator(s): Ergo Sum 15:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is another article in the Georgetown University presidents series and the last necessary to promote its topic from Good to Featured status, an uncommon event! This article is a GA and I believe it meets FA standards. Plus, the subject's brother, Francis Neale, is already a FA. Ergo Sum 15:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:Leonard_Neale_portrait.jpg: is there a source indicating pre-1927 publication? The copyright info provided at the source is self-contradictory
File:Leonard_Neale.jpg includes an 1891 published source but also a claim of unpublished - these seem to contradict each other. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on tracking these down. Ergo Sum 11:56, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Query by WereSpielChequers

Nice read, an intersection of topics about which I know very little.

I'm assuming this chap was the first Roman Catholic bishop consecrated after independance, and that others had been consecrated in the 13 states before the revolution? Either way it might be worth qualifying this, with maybe a footnote or see also for any earlier consecrations in Miami or New Orleans.

As far as I can tell, Neale was, in fact, the first bishop ordained in any of the territory that is today the United States, including areas that were not part of the 13 colonies. I don't have any indication that bishops were ordained before Neale in Florida, Louisiana, or the Spanish missions in California or the Southwestern U.S. Do you have a source that says there were? Ergo Sum 11:51, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Given that Puerto Rico had bishops for at least two centuries before that I'd be surprised if this was the first consecration on what is now US territory, but the few I've checked do seem to have been consecrated in Europe and sent out. Can I suggest a rephrase to clarify that it was the first Roman Catholic consecration in what is now the continental United States, as I read the article as just claiming he was the first consecrated after independence. Ϣere SpielChequers 15:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Assuming he became Archbishop after becoming bishop I'd be tempted to swap those two round in the lede, unless there is a pressing reason for the reverse chronology?~~

With biographies in general and religious biographies in particular, I've noticed that the highest title attained always goes first, unless that person held many titles of comparable stature. Here, Neale's most significant office was certainly Archbishop of Baltimore, so I think it belongs in the first sentence. Ergo Sum 11:53, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The whole suppression and restoration of the Jesuits saga seems underplayed in the article. Unless he left the Jesuits for part of his career or the Jesuits were tolerated where he was? Ϣere SpielChequers 17:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It does have a whole article on its own. I'm not sure what else that is relevant to Neale can be added. There is already mention of the suppression, how that impacted Neale's plans, and a whole paragraph about his advocacy for the restoration of the Jesuits. Ergo Sum 11:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments, WereSpielChequers. I've left some comments above. Ergo Sum 11:56, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note

This has been open for more than three weeks and has yet to pick up a support. Unless it attracts considerable further attention over the next three or four days I am afraid that it will have to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but this has timed out.

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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