Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jane Joseph/archive1

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The article was promoted by GrahamColm 10:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC) [1].

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Jane Joseph

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• Featured article candidates/Jane Joseph/archive1

Nominator(s): Brianboulton (talk) 20:57, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Jane Joseph was a composer of the early 20th century, much influenced by Gustav Holst whose pupil she was. Most of her music was never published and has been lost; her few published pieces are now rarely heard, though some were highly thought of when first performed. If she had not been so busy helping Holst (she copied out the whole of the "Neptune" movement of The Planets suite for him, among many other tasks), she may have gained greater recognition as a composer. Her career ended prematurely with her death aged 34: "I can't imagine Music without her", lamented a friend. The article has been carefully peer-reviewed for which many thanks, and acknowledgements also to Ruhrfisch, for making the lead image presentable. More comments welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 20:57, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Support and image check Had my say at the peer review, glad to see the change I recommended was carried out. Images are fine, fair use lead image used appropriately for identification, the rest are PD of various sort. God only knows what will be used for its TFA...--Wehwalt (talk) 00:51, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, I and and a number of others hope that God will soon come to his/her senses, and will allow non-free images to appear on the main page if their sole purpose is to identify the subject. Having said that, I don't have any TFA plans for the near future; Jane's 120th birthday, on 31 May 2014, is probably the most relevant date. Thank you for your reviews, here and at PR, and for your support. Brianboulton (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Support; I was also a happy PRer and a subsequent re-read shows no reason why this shouldn't be an FA. - SchroCat (talk) 03:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, and for the continuing due diligence on the matter of ellipses. Brianboulton (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Support – I too took part in the PR, where my (very minor) queries were thoroughly attended to. This article meets all the FA criteria, in my opinion. Moreover, it knocks spots off any other web article on the subject, even the one in the online Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, which offers a mere 300 words as opposed to more than 4,000 words of top-notch stuff here. – Tim riley (talk) 10:19, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Afterthought: spotted while having an enjoyable re-read of the article – ref 27 duplicates some of the biblio info on Cooper's book given in full in the list of sources; and ref 50 needs a date showing which Gibbs work you refer to. Tim riley (talk) 10:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Very kind words, much appreciated. It is exceedingly unlikely that Jane Joseph will ever get a full-length biography, and I hope that this article will go some way towards fulfilling this function. I have made the two small ref fixes that you have spotted – what sharp eyes you have.

On the question of the genitive form that you reverted (sorry, Graham), I agree with you; it was an orchestra made up of Josephs. Another way of looking at it might be to say it was an orchestra belonging to the Josephs, in which case "a Josephs' orchestra" might be justified. But I am inclined to leave things be. Brianboulton (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Support: I was another at the PR whose questions cleared up. A very enjoyable article and I think it easily meets the criteria. I'm not quite sure how BB does it! Sarastro1 (talk) 11:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Source review: Other than Tim's points above, just a one minor query.

• Do we need a publisher and location for the Gibbs article in Tempo?

Everything else looks fine from a sourcing viewpoint. Sarastro1 (talk) 11:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reviews, here and at PR. It is not usual, with well-known magazines and newspapers, to include publishers and locations; see for example the Gustav Holst article. Glad to have your support. Brianboulton (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Support - as noted above, I cleaned up the lead image a bit. I have read the whole article twice now and find it meets the FA criteria. I have a few questions, which do not detract from my support.

• General question - did she have any romantic relationships that are known? I assume not (at least as far as reliable sources go), but I wondered this as I read the article.

• The only line in the sources that refers to her life outside music is the quoted one about her being hard to know and probably lonely. I think she was truly devoted to Holst, who was unavailable, and that she was unable or unwilling to look further – but that is pure conjecture. Brianboulton (talk) 09:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• "Illness, death and tributes" section:
  • Shouldn't it be "1928 Whitsun festival"? in The main feature of the 1928 Whit festival, held at Canterbury, was a religious drama, ...

• • Indeed yes; altered. Brianboulton (talk) 09:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• • In American English, if someone is alive a performance hono(u)rs them, but if someone is dead, then a performance is in their memory. Would that apply to ... a special performance of his St Paul's Suite was played in Joseph's honour.?

• • Again, yes (and the source says "memory", so no excuses. Brianboulton (talk) 09:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• Music section - I do not understand this sentence, which seems to me to be missing word[s] or parts of words: In Joseph's Mirage cycle of five songs with string quartet from 1921, distinctive compositional characteristic sit alongside Holstian references.

• The sentence was poorly written, and an "s" was missing from "characteristics". I have redrafted: "In Joseph's Mirage song cycle of 1921 (five songs with string quartet accompaniment), a Holstian influence is evident alongside her own distinctive compositional voice." Brianboulton (talk) 09:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting these things. Glad to have your support. Brianboulton (talk) 09:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

You are very welcome - thank you for a fine article. I tried looking online to see if I could find any free images of her or her grave or even of some of her music, but was unable to find anything. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• Support. (having stumbled here from my FAC nomination) Nice to see high quality improvement efforts on articles relating to biographies of women. This seems to be an area in need of further quality improvements on Wikipedia, so I'm glad we have contributors willing to work on these sorts of articles. :) — Cirt (talk) 19:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Graham Colm (talk) 20:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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