Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hoi polloi/archive2

Hoi polloi edit

This is a second nomination. After the first nomination, the article has been substantially improved and all issues from the first nomination have been addressed. As a consequence, the article has been selected as a good article.
The article explains the origins, use (as well as misuse) of this phrase, with examples from both film and literature. Several misconceptions, such as who introduced the phrase into English, are debunked along the way. The article is well sourced and conforms to all style guidelines. As the primary author, I leave the determination of whether it is well written to other readers. Johntex\^talk 00:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Image:Lord Byron drawing showing the place of the hoi polloi.JPG should be in SVG, also the Wiktionary box looks out of place. WP 06:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good catches, thanks! I converted the image to PNG and replaced the old JPG. I also moved the Wiktionary box to the References section at the bottom of the page. Johntex\^talk 06:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've created an SVG version and included it in the Appearances in Literature section. Icey 11:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Object. Better, but a few problems:

The flow of the lead isn't that great. The second paragraph doesn't read well, I don't understand "used to meet", and is it really necessary to list 19 synonyms? I mean, maybe 3-4 to get the various shades of meaning, but "huddled masses", "masses", and "the masses"? Unnecessary.
The first big quote: "it was invariably preceded by the". Can we mark "the" somehow, like with italics or quotes or something?
Any examples of usage where it means "upper class"? Very short subsection.
Can "Appearances in film, radio, and the internet" be split into a couple subsections?
That usenet post is still in the references—why? If I write on some listserv that Hoi Polloi means "I like chicken", does my definition get included here?
Ref 23 doesn't work (google cache).
Any external links?
Some overall prose problems... things like "The term has continued to be used in writing up to modern times", "This conversation associating polo with the hoi polloi is surprising", "New media and new inventions have also been described as being by or for the hoi polloi". Nothing too egregious, but not "brilliant" either.
Organization... I'm not sure I like it. Rather than dividing this by media type (which is really rather irrelevant), why not do it by time period? Shouldn't be too many changes, but that might help readers get a better idea of how the phrase has been used through the years. And it would help take care of my third point above. Better prose connections between different usage examples would be helpful too. --Spangineer^es (háblame) 14:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - I will work on these over the coming weekend.

To answer the question about the Listserve reference, I decided to leave it in because it seemed that the poster was a frequent contributor and that he had the respect of other posters on the list. Therefore, I thought he was as knowledgable a source as any conventional journalist or the like that could be cited. If that is not a good explanation or if others disagree, we can certainly remove that reference. Johntex\^talk 14:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]