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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 20 January 2023 [1].

High School Musical: The Musical: The Series edit

Nominator(s): SatDis (talk) 00:39, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the Disney+ series High School Musical: The Musical: The Series, which was inspired by the hit 2000s movie High School Musical, and stars the popular singer Olivia Rodrigo. The page became a Good Article here on 17 April 2021. A peer review was completed by @Aoba47: here on 6 October 2022. The copy-edit of this article was completed by the Guild of Copy Editors on 3 November 2022. All references have been archived. SatDis (talk) 00:39, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate any comments, but understand if you are unable to. Thank you all! SatDis (talk) 00:49, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • @Nikkimaria: I have removed the fixed px size, and replaced the logo with a new non-free version of the upload with appropriate rationale. SatDis (talk) 03:47, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aoba47 edit

  • I have a question about this part, the series follows a group of teenage theater enthusiasts who participate in a staging of High School Musical: The Musical as their school production. It appears that this is only a plot point for the first season, yet this sentence makes it sound like the entire show is specifically about this premise. It may be helpful to present this as the show's starting point for its first season before it moved to other storylines. I think there could be a way to use that as a smoother transition to the following sentence: It also explores their lives as they navigate friendships, love, interests, identity, and family relationships.
  • Great idea. I have had a go at rewording, please let me know if I can refine any further. I have also added a note to clarify what High School Musical: The Musical actually is.
  • Thanks for picking that up, I have fixed to include all movies.
  • Apologies for the nitpick-y question, but do we ever know Miss Jenn's full name?
  • Funnily enough, they call her Jennifer... so apparently "Miss Jenn" is referring to her first name... but no, they don't specify her surname.
  • In the "Premise" section, I would avoid the navigating / navigate repetition in these two parts, while navigating a relationship / learn to navigate their interpersonal relationships.
  • Fixed.
  • In the "Premise" section, I do not think each season needs its own paragraph. The short sentences appear and read choppy to me and I think it would be better to instead find a way to have it flow together in longer paragraphs. To be clear, this comment is specifically aimed at the last three paragraphs. It is also rather jarring when compared to the length of the first paragraph.
  • Combined. Other editors seem to always split these sections to give each season its own paragraph, and I find myself having to revert those types of edits frequently.
  • Combined paragraphs and removed disambiguation.
  • Make sure to consistently italicize the show's title in the reference titles. This is not done in Citation 27. It looks like an outlier, but I would still make sure to read through the other citations to make sure I did not miss any other instances.
  • I have definitely gone through all references - it appears that was just one acronym I missed!
  • I would avoid putting words in a reference title in all caps as done in Citation 98 even if it is written this way by the source itself.
  • Fixed.

I hope this review is helpful. Once everything has been addressed, I will read through the article a few more times to make sure I have caught everything. Have a great rest of your day! Aoba47 (talk) 02:15, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Aoba47: Thank you for the comments and I apologise for the delay over Christmas. I have now addressed all of the above. SatDis (talk) 02:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for addressing everything and no need to apologize. I hope you had a great Christmas. I support this FAC for promotion based on the prose. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any input on my current FAC, but I understand if you do not have the time or interest. Best of luck with your FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 03:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comments edit

  • Hey, I only did a quick read but noticed a few prose issues that you may (or may not) consider fixing!
  • Throughout the article, I've noticed some instances where you use the terms "movies" and "films". I suggest just to use "films" for consistency.
  • Fixed. I have only kept "where the movies were filmed", as it wouldn't make sense otherwise.
  • ".. as fictionalized versions of themselves." - do we need to mention that bit? Its obvious to me that they would be ficional characters..
  • I think it's necessary, as this show skirts the lines between reality and fiction. Casual readers may take it for granted that "Corbin Bleu" truly represents himself, where in reality, he is playing a fictional character that actually bears no similarities to his real persona.
  • "won a GLAAD Media Award, and won three Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards." - I would mention this first in the sentence (the wins), then the nominations afterwards
  • Thanks, fixed.
  • ".. where the High School Musical movies, a series of Disney Channel original films about high school" - do we need 'about high school'? It's obvious to me.
  • Fixed. Again, I have kept "movies were filmed".
  • "talking heads are utilized.." - is that when a character does an interview to the camera? This may need to be clearer because not everyone will understand.
  • I have clarified the explanation that was hiding at the end of the sentence.
  • "These scenes represent the "present-day" in the story, while flashbacks to Nini and Ricky's past relationship are filmed more traditionally" - got a bit lost here, what do you mean by "these scenes"? And what does "filmed more traditionally" mean?
  • I have added clarification to this. However, in the source, they say this "more traditional scripted teen dramedy feel for the flashbacks" - I'm not sure how I could use that. I wouldn't say "scripted" as the whole show is scripted. I could remove the whole sentence.
  • Update: I have decided on "filmed more similarly to other teen drama series." SatDis (talk) 06:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "but was delayed as a result of filming being halted during the COVID-19 pandemic" - may sound better as "but was delayed because the covid-19 pandemic halted filming" or something similar
  • Fixed.
  • I have a feeling that a source reviewer won't like Showbiz Cheat Sheet (ref 64) and BroadwayWorld (ref 70). (ref 70 might be fine but personally I would use something else if possible).
  • I have removed Showbiz Cheat Sheet and two uses of Broadway World. Thanks for spotting that.

That's all I have for now, thanks! LM150 20:30, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • @LM150: All of the above addressed. Thank you for the comments! SatDis (talk) 02:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @LM150: Sorry to be pushy. Just wondering if you had any further comments? Thanks again! SatDis (talk) 14:53, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @SatDis Just wondering if you need to provide sources for each character in the "Cast and characters" section? In the MOS for Television, it states "All names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source." (Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Television#Cast_and_characters_information) LM150 11:02, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @LM150: I may be wrong, but I believe that statement refers to listing characters by how they are credited in the show, and if there is contention, a reliable source should be provided. I have been told in previous nominations, such as Bluey (2018 TV series), that the show itself acts as a source for a cast list. The names are supported by the details of the show and the credits. Please let me know if I'm wrong. SatDis (talk) 13:52, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @SatDis Ok I think you're right, the cast list should be fine then. The only other small things I noticed were: (1) ensure each bullet in the cast list ends with a full stop, (2) in the first sentence under "Critical response", you use the word "rating" 3 times (maybe the change the last instance to "reviews"?) and (3) the Metacritic source is now based on 20 crtitic reviews, and not 16. So maybe update that too. LM150 22:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @LM150: Thanks. I have changed the "review" wording... as for the dot points, I have been instructed that they should not have a full stop (as it is not a full sentence) unless you add a sentence after that dot point. Thanks for the review. SatDis (talk) 07:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Great, article looks fine and happy to Support as it stands today. Thanks, LM150 22:06, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment edit

Nearly three weeks in and just the single general support. Unless this nomination makes significant further progress towards a consensus to promote over the next four or five days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:24, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pamzeis edit

It's been a while since I've reviewed.... anything, really. Will try not to screw this up :)

  • "The series is produced by Chorus Boy and Salty Pictures" – is not mentioned in the body
  • Added.
  • "He was succeeded by Federle for the remainder of the first season and thereafter." – I can't find this in the body...
  • Added.
  • "and has been nominated for five" – the winners have been announced, so it should be updated to "was nominated" or something
  • Changed.
  • The #Premise section seems to breeze over the second and third seasons in comparison to the first; can the second and third season's premises be expanded or, alternatively, the first season's premise be trimmed for balance...?
  • I have opted to trim the first season, as I don't believe too much unimportant plot should be included in the premise section. If that is enough, I can also remove the final sentence of the first paragraph, though it supports a line in the lead, so I'd rather keep it.
  • "her music career dreams" – seems a bit vague. Music career doing what? Singing? Songwriting? Producing?
  • Have changed to "career in singing and songwriting".
  • "Miss Jenn's ex-boyfriend, an actor who teaches drama" – is this supposed to be "Miss Jenn's ex-boyfriend and an actor who teaches drama"?
  • "at a rival school North High" – this bit sounds a bit off to me... can it be reworded?
  • For both of the above, have changed to "Miss Jenn's ex-boyfriend, who teaches drama at North High and is an actor", as "rival school" is mentioned in the plot.
  • "Nellie Andreeva of Deadline Hollywood reported that Goldstick wanted to incorporate more mature themes in the series." – is this the reason he left or just a thing he wanted to incorporate...?
  • The reason he left, I have clarified in the prose.
  • "For its third season, production of the series relocated from Salt Lake City to Los Angeles;" – this is later mentioned in #Filming and feels a bit unnecessary here since it doesn't seem to have anything to do with development...
  • "Production of the series also returned to Salt Lake City." – same as above
  • Thanks, have removed both above.
  • Question: why is it important to note the number of episodes in each season? It seems rather irrelevant to the development and readers can already refer to the #Episodes section if they want to know
  • I have removed, except for the first season's paragraph as this reads as part of the original series order and original premise of the show.
  • The second para of #Writing seems to mention some information not directly related to the actual writing, like the episode in which Carlos and Seb's relationship starts and the themes; how did the writers decide on this? Was there any specific intention behind this?
  • I do believe this is important information, and technically should be considered as "themes". However, as there is no "themes" section I have included it in the "writing" section. My other idea would be to move "themes" into a subsection of "premise", which would leave the "writing" section quite sparse.
  • "including Sofia Wylie as Gina, Kate Reinders as Miss Jenn, and Olivia Rodrigo as Nini" – why these cast members specifically? (I haven't read the source BTW so maybe this is just me being ignorant lol)
  • I have added all of the cast announced to this sentence.
  • "her solo music career and debut album Sour" – do both need to be mentioned? I mean her solo music career to that point was basically just Sour...
  • Thanks, another user added that in. Removed.
  • "filmed more traditionally" – you said above that this means more similarly to teen dramedy series, so maybe that could be made clear?
  • Done.
  • "episodes were released weekly rather than all at once" – was being released all at once the norm for streaming series at the time? If it was, it could be mentioned cuz the "rather than all at once" is kinda random when the reader isn't told to expect anything (if that makes sense, y'know, that probably doesn't make sense)
  • Yeah, the article is an explicit discussion on this. I have added reference to the "binge" model.
  • "The second season premiered on May 14, 2021" – the entire season or...?
  • First episode... As I've just mentioned weekly releases in the first season, and it comes up again for the third season, I'm not sure if it needs to be stated again.
  • "noting that the format distracts" – this is an opinion, but the use of "noting" suggests a fact
  • Fixed.
  • "In his Laughing Place blog, Alex Reif said the series was more aimed at adults than the original films.[92] Joel Keller of Decider suggested that viewing of the series does not require an understanding of the original franchise.[93]" – these two opinions don't exactly have good cohesion from the previous sentences and feel kinda random...
  • I'm not really keen on the use of Laughing Place and Hypable, even for reviews... the threshold for all FA sources is "high-quality". And if these sources can be included, what's to stop us from including, say, my opinion?
  • Thanks for spotting those sources. I have removed Laughing Place and Hypable.

Hope this helps. Sorry for nitpicky and confusing lol :) Pamzeis (talk) 10:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh, two more things:
    • "Comicbook.com" should be ComicBook.com
    • Is there any info on the series viewership on Disney+?
  • Fixed, and no, Disney is becoming known for not releasing any viewership info unless it is a major success story.
  • @Pamzeis: Thanks so much for the comments. I have addressed all of the above, please let me know if you have any more requests. SatDis (talk) 06:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Panini! edit

Featured Article Candidate: The Nomination: The Comments: The General Support: The Stalling: The Gog Threat: The Panic: The Sudden Collaboration to Save the FAC: The Comments From Panini!
Comments later. Panini! • 🥪 14:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Panini!, is there any more to come from you? Gog the Mild (talk) 12:42, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Gah! You scared me.
Yep, I'll get to this now. I had to finish up a GAN first with the little spare time I've had. Panini! • 🥪 13:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not too much from me, actually:

  • Referring to them as "theatre enthusiasts"; performing arts is considered a club, so why not use "club members" in some way?
  • Have added a "club members" in there.
  • "He is named after Elton John" is a fun fact, but I don't feel it's important enough to put in his character bio. Does this detail affect the understanding of the character in any way?
  • Removed.
  • Is Big Red a nickname? Does he have an actual character name that the friends don't use? If so, I would state this by doing "John 'Big Red' Smith".
  • Yes a nickname, but no, real name is not revealed.
  • Julia Lester's bio is missing a period in the end. You heard me right, instead of fixing this simple error myself I instead chose to merely point it out by writing several words on a separate page.
  • I'm now seeing you did this on purpose for one-sentence lines. I would suggest adding them, as these are beyond mere bullet points and express complete bio descriptions.
  • I've added the full stop for the longer summaries, but left it off for the really short ones.
  • Ugh, stage managers. Bunch of control freaks.
  • Why not add that infobox picture of Tim Federle at the top of development? It's a nice photo.
  • I would, however, I prefer not to add "head shots" as such - I prefer the natural ones shown in the page already.
  • The first two sentences both cite refs 13 and 14 as inline citations. You can drop the first bunch.
  • Fixed.
  • The near-entirety of the writing section focuses on its LGBT themes. Is there anything else that can be said about the writing (WP:UNDUE) or is this really only what RSes focused on?
  • I can't find much else on writing. I'd consider changing the heading in some way - to "themes" maybe?
  • It does cover other small points pertaining to writing, so I'd leave the header as is.
  • I would combine these three release paragraphs together to make an easier-to-follow timeline. Having these fragments feels choppy to me.
  • Done.
  • A bunch of duplicate hyperlinks in the casting section; their actors are linked in Cast and characters and don't need to be linked again.
  • Unlinked.
  • Repeat of refs 59 and 60 in the last two sentences of casting; the first bunch can be dropped too
  • Fixed.
  • "the series is a "love letter" to high school theater productions..." Yeah right. Merely reading this article gave me war flashbacks of my time in theatre.
  • A reminder of my years in school shows as well!

That's all from me! Panini! • 🥪 15:25, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Perfect. I'd give a quippy remark followed by my Support, but I know nothing about the source material to do say anything clever. I apologize for leaving this review on a sour note. Panini! • 🥪 13:53, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review edit

Footnote numbers refer to this version.

  • There are no sources given for the cast section. I'm aware that the plot section of film articles doesn't require separate sourcing, but I'm not aware of an exemption for the cast section, though I can see much of this information could be obtained by watching the films. I looked at a few film featured articles and about half the ones I looked at do not have separate sourcing for the cast, so perhaps there's been a ruling about this that I'm not aware of.
  • FNs 22, 30, 62, and 75 are missing the publisher.

More to come. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Links all work. Just one more:

  • What makes tigerbeat.com a reliable source?

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Mike Christie: At my FA for Bluey (2018 TV series) characters didn't all require a source. However, if it is required, I am happy to find sources for the cast. I have added the publishers and removed Tigerbeat sources as there was no alternative. Thanks. SatDis (talk) 08:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've left a note at WT:FAC asking about the cast list. The other points are struck. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And I already received a reply, which is that MOS:FILMCAST says there's only a need to cite for uncredited actors. I'll take it on faith that there are no uncredited actors here, and that if there are you'll cite them, so this is a pass. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:35, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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